Weinland Watch

Weinland Watch

Nothing Mysterious About That Anti-Easter Diatribe

Brethren, I give you the unexpurgated version of The Mystery of God Part 4. You will note how Weinland fear-mongers extensively in the announcements portion of the sermon; this is no doubt what will be removed, when the “sanitized” version of the file is uploaded onto the site for public consumption.

As for the highlights reel, well I’ve covered some of it in previous posts, notably here and here. The bulk of this past Saturday’s sermon was very “pre-game show” for the Easter Weekend lead-in, as per 99.9999999% of Church of God congregations that still hold tightly to Armstrong and his “pagan Easter” theology. (Bonus points to anyone who can remember what part of what animal Dagon was, and where the symbol was “featured” most prominently!)

Don’t forget to keep an ear open around the middle, where Weinland recounts how “up in Canada somebody was being given static by their family they sent in two thousand dollars (!!!) for the church”. The most telling part of the tale (I’m of two minds whether or not to believe it), is that Weinland claims the church sent the money back. Those with loved ones in the church, get your lawyers and exit counsellors on the blower to thecofg@aol.com ASAP and start agitating! You might actually be able to get some of those misplaced funds back after all! If the church gives you any static, quote Weinland’s own sermon back at him.

There is a lot of stuff on baptism counselling and being “prepared for baptism” that I initially dismissed as being more of the “same old same old” when I listened to the sermon “live” on Saturday, but it turns out, given recent information, this part of the sermon was actually a fundraising drive. Bonus points if you can spot the member being called out from the pulpit, for being upset with an answer that he was given by an elder! Looks like the Levitical priesthood is alive and well and ruling with as much of an iron fist as ever they did.

Oh, and for former WCG members looking for a dose of that good old time religion, you’re out of luck: Apparently Weinland has extended the millennium for a hundred years. It’s anybody’s guess as to why. Whatever happened to proof-texting with that verse from Joshua or Judges or whichever one it was, where the sun was stopped for a day? That’s how they used to handle the “no time to raise the trillions in a single day” problem of the old-style Great White Throne Judgement.

There is some reading from around pp. 200 – 208 of “the book” (again with notably few biblical verses). The bulk of the sermon after the first forty-five, fifty-five minutes or so is the standard Church of God “that evil pagan Easter” schtick that we are all so very familiar with.

The end of the sermon is what you want to really pay attention to, however: No doubt it will be trimmed, once the sermon is judiciously edited and put up onto the site: Weinland makes a big deal about how “it ought to dumbfound us what China is doing today”, and “Russia has gone back to the Cold War” (Really Weinland? Without nukes or the Iron Curtain? How do you figure?), and how Russia is “threatening the United States flying over our ships to test us to threaten us to see what we are going to do.” Russia is buddy-buddy with China, and they are going to be the ones in Revelation.

Astute observers will note that this Russian/Chinese army of 200 million concept was lifted directly from 1975 in Prophecy, published in 1956.

Weinland goes on for about five minutes in this vein then switches to how if you don’t want to become a part of god’s church spiritually (by getting baptized—and paying the tithe to do so), then it’s the great tribulation and the lake of fire for you! Weinland rants on and raves about this, getting more and more bombastic with each passing second it’s almost comic.

Then he bangs the pulpit. I tell you, I was seven years old and sitting on a folding metal chair in a drafty concrete union hall, and it all came flooding back. Not in a good way. Then there is a recap of binitarianism (the form of christology that Weinland subscribes to), more bashing of Messianic Judaism, and then the bit about Acts and Psalms being identical to each other (which follows the standard anti-Easter diatribe).

No need for me to go through and timestamp everything for you, you can now hear Weinland in glorious living unexpurgated colour for yourselves. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

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Written by weinlandwatch

March 20, 2008 at 9:45 pm

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  1. I’d comment at length on this. But isn’t heaven silent right now, for a second day?

    Ssssshhhhh.

    Richard

    March 20, 2008 at 11:10 pm

  2. Yeah RW has completely lost it….has anyone even heard from him since tuesday?

    TNAfan121

    March 20, 2008 at 11:25 pm

  3. “Silent in heaven, but not on earth” according to some who follow Weinland. Yak away!

    weinlandwatch

    March 21, 2008 at 12:21 am

  4. Well i thought i’d do somthing useful…so here are the hit stats for rottin ronnies sites!

    COG-PKG.org
    http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/cog-pkg.org
    (around 1000 veiws at peak)

    the-end.com
    http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/the-end.com
    (around 200,000 veiws at peak)

    ronaldweinland.com
    http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/ronaldweinland.com

    TNA

    March 21, 2008 at 9:45 pm

  5. WW, can you answer a few things for me, First did you say you were Catholic? I thought you were WCG??? Can you tell me some major predictions that HWA made that did not come true and give me a link of some proof, I have a friend who says you all are just SAYING that. wheres the proof.. thanks

    Steve

    March 21, 2008 at 11:07 pm

  6. I just listened.. Weinland is really defending Armstrong. Funny that he referred to him as the “prophetic” end-time Elijah. Ron is really starting to speak in circles.

    I sometimes wonder who Ron is arguing with. EVERY sermon is an argument. .. this group is wrong…. that group is wrong….”people” don’t understand….

    Jimmyhags

    March 22, 2008 at 2:29 am

  7. EVERY sermon is an argument. .. this group is wrong…. that group is wrong…

    But that makes him such a good fundamentalist! The world is all wrong, don’t you see? Thus we must preach against it, and everything in it, with all our might and gusto.

    For instance: whomever made this keyboard with a sticking return key.

    Richard

    March 22, 2008 at 2:37 am

  8. No I’m definitely not Catholic. The big prediction that HWA made that parallels our man Weinland’s date-setting fiasco is/was 1975 in Prophecy. Interesting to note how much of the bombastic rhetoric Ronald borrowed for his own volume on the “end of days”.

    But I’ve already declared Weinland’s prophecies a bust, thanks to the non-shock and unhorror of the seventh seal (which the world was supposed to be shocked and horrified by, according to Weinland’s own book).

    weinlandwatch

    March 22, 2008 at 4:45 am

  9. It isn’t Weinland that motivates you but a disdain for the Creator otherwise you would put Weinland to the litmus test and be done with it. I’m talking Yahweh’s litmus test and not your sole bias judgment. I see no threat at all from Ronald Weinland but I see plenty threat from you and your lackadaisical attitude towards the Word of Yahweh. Nothing better to do but judge a man who has so far done nothing to harm anyone. No one can tell a prophet untill what he says comes to pass or doesn’t come to pass. If Weinland is a false prophet we will all know soon enough. It’s not like there haven’t been thousands before him. Untill then I see the score. It’s Ronald Weinland 1 to weinlandwatch 0. I find a man much more credible when he is not afraid to back up his spew with his real name.

    Warren Silverwood

    March 22, 2008 at 10:14 pm

  10. No, what motivates me is my concern for my fellow human beings. Clearly a character trait the authoritarian Weinland himself does not possess. I have put Weinland to the litmus test: The world was not “shocked and in horror on the day the seventh seal opened” [pp. 23, 2008: God’s Final Witness]. But in today’s sermon he’s saying he never said that anything was going to happen on March 18th.

    As for doing nothing to harm anyone, I have several stories from members, family members of those who are members, and from people in the process of exiting, who would definitely put evidence to my assertions that Weinland has done harm to people. A lot of harm, both financially, and emotionally.

    “No one can tell a prophet untill what he says comes to pass or doesn’t come to pass.”

    I agree entirely! What Weinland said would come to pass on the day of the seventh seal did not come to pass. Therefore, Weinland = not a prophet.

    You = a shill for the church. But that’s okay Mr. Elder. You’ll be too busy baptizing people from this point forward to bother checking back in on your nasty little drive-by comment now won’t you?

    As for backing up my “spew” with my real name, no thanks: I have no desire to be physically hassled, any more than I am already being hassled over the Internet by the over-zealous members of your church. So nice that one of the ministers of misery decided to drop by though. Sorry, no tea or cookies, I really don’t know how to entertain the Levitical priesthood very well anymore!

    weinlandwatch

    March 22, 2008 at 10:44 pm

  11. Oh and by the way do you get a free pass on using “Yahweh” because you’re a minister in the church? Every sermon Weinland goes on and on and on about how Sacred Namism is the ultimate evil and here you are, spewing “Yahweh” this and “Yahweh” that left and right. Better check those elders’ notes buddy-boy, you’re treading dangerously close on the rules!

    Hmmm. I thought for sure there had been mention made of a Warren Silverwood that had been ordained, but checking my (outdated) notes on the elders, that doesn’t seem to be the case…..Hm. Anyway, Warren Silverwood, if you were really a member of the CoG-PKG, you would know just how “evil” and “sick sick sick sick” (Weinland’s words) it is to use “Yahweh” when you are referring to god.

    weinlandwatch

    March 22, 2008 at 10:47 pm

  12. bla bla bla bla di bla bla bla bla you didn’t really want to know what he wrote did you???

    Warren Silverwood

    March 23, 2008 at 9:50 pm

  13. To Steve:

    Website below lists 123 of 209 failed prophecies by WCG, starting with the conquering of Britain by the Nazis (as prophesied in December, 1940):

    http://www.triumphpro.com/hwa_s_123_failed_prophecies.htm

    Most prophecies listed were by HWA; however, some prophecies from others, e.g. R. Meredith, H. Hoeh, etc.

    R.A.

    March 24, 2008 at 1:05 am

  14. The above list, it must be noted, is hosted by the Triumph Prophetic Ministries website. Triumph Prophetic Ministries is yet another CoG micro-splinter, so take this list with that huge grain of salt in mind.

    Triumph Prophetic Ministries, also require tithes of their “members”, money which goes solely towards funding William Dankenbring and his family on all-expenses paid vacations to Jerusalem each year, ostensibly so Billy-boy can sniff grain sheaves under the Solstice moons and churn out this mini-micro-blink-and-you’ll-miss-it-splinter’s only reason for existence, the Holy Days According to Bill.

    Should have stuck with Prophecy Flash!, Bill: At least then you weren’t in it for the sheeple’s money. Or were you?

    weinlandwatch

    March 24, 2008 at 2:29 am

  15. Thanks for the heads-up on Triumph Ministries. Didn’t realize they were the Dankenbring group.

    R.A.

    March 24, 2008 at 3:32 pm

  16. Dankenbring has always been sneaky; members of my WCG congregation thought Prophecy Flash! was a church-sanctioned publication, until the ministers got wind of it, and told us from the pulpit it was “bad news”, back in the day.

    I don’t think Dankenbring was quite as money-centred at that point (this was in the late ’80s) because I don’t recall anything in the PF! papers saying we needed to be paying our tithes to him, instead of WCG. But that was before any of the changes were even a gleam in Senior’s eye. TPM now says that all tithes must be sent in to them because they are “god’s one true church” however. Just like all the rest.

    weinlandwatch

    March 24, 2008 at 6:32 pm


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