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Those Who Don’t Know Their History Are Doomed to Repeat It

As it has been lost under the pile of previous posts, let me take the time to recommend to you a brief history of Ronald Weinland if you have not already read it.

Additionally, anyone interested in the history of the Worldwide Church of God (the mothership from which the demon-spawn of the CoG-PKG is directly descended), please read The 1975 That Never Was. Failed prophecy is hardly a new gimmick, in the Churches of God.

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Written by weinlandwatch

March 23, 2008 at 1:36 pm

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  1. Hope you all had a great EASTER and NON existant PASSOVER…ok so here is where I now stand after hearing Waynes LAME excuse. I have been listening to interviews and sermons and there is NO doubt that this is a total PULL BACK and SCRAMBELING!!!….i NEVER EVER got a genuine feeling from RW. The main reason I never wanted this to come true was that I dreaded thinking of him as the GOOD GUY…I agree that God would never have picked him and I hope Im wrong but im pretty conviced that hes a F.P.

    Ill attach an email I received from Wayne on FEB 20th….I should have posted this to you guys sooner…
    MY QUESTION:
    Subject: I need an answer, Very confused!
    OT Whom it may Concern:
    ON Page 180 in the BOOK:

    “Jesus Christ came to this earth to reveal his Father to ALL mankind.
    God DID NOT send jesus into ALL the world, only to Judah.”

    Please explain these 2 opposite statements that come right after one another.

    I truly am confused and need help with this.

    Thanks

    ANSWER:
    If you only focused upon what was said in these two sentences, then indeed it would seem like a contradiction, even as so many think when they read many of the verses in scripture. But as you come to understand the full context of this chapter and the entire book, you will come to understand what all this means.

    Jesus Christ did come to this world to reveal His Father to ALL mankind. This is God’s purpose that through Jesus Christ, mankind can come to know the Father, but this was not intended to happen when Jesus first appeared to man as the Son of God, born of human flesh. The reason Jesus Christ came to this earth is indeed for the purpose of revealing the Father, and His purpose to mankind to become part of His Family–in the Kingdom of God–in the God Family. This process will begin to increase mightily when Jesus Christ returns in 2011 to establish God’s Government on earth. During the following 1,000 years, most of mankind will come to know the Father through the Son. Then in the Great White Throne resurrection, when all the rest of mankind is resurrected again into physical life (those who lived and died during the first 6,000 years) will come to know the Father (and God’s purpose for mankind) through Jesus Christ.

    But this is a process of salvation that God is working our on this earth and most of that statement will come true during the final 1,100 years of mankind on earth.

    The second sentence you refer to had to do with Jesus Christ coming to Judah only (not yet to ALL the world), and certainly to no other part of the world at that time.

    Understanding of this comes by understanding the whole plan of God that is revealed in context throughout the book.

    Hope this helps,
    the Church of God – PKG

    Steve

    March 24, 2008 at 5:16 am

  2. Methinks Wayner needs to bone up on his biblical history a touch; surely he means “Judea” in the above paragraphs, not “Judah”, at least not according to Weinland’s endless bombastic ballast in the two-and-a-half-hour sermons about how the christ figure was sent to destroy Judaism.

    I still don’t get why they’ve mysteriously tacked a hundred years onto the Millennium. What is up with that?

    They are still dead-set on the 2011 date. That’s going to come back and bite them in the ass eventually. Unfortunately not before Weinland and the elders live high on the hog at the expense of the members who are tithing through the nose and giving everything “to the work”.

    I love the circular logic though: To understand the book you need god’s understanding and if you don’t have god’s understanding you won’t understand the book.

    weinlandwatch

    March 24, 2008 at 2:15 pm

  3. Oh and Passover wasn’t non-existent, that’s next month Steve. My advice for CoG-PKG members and Passover? Don’t drink the wine. 😦

    weinlandwatch

    March 24, 2008 at 2:16 pm

  4. Im wondering how many college age kids deep down want the end to come, thus follow RW. We all know that certain college kids get easilly excited about issues they have “Become” enlightened of (due to their liberal “professors”) (i.e. vietnam, the earth, anti-war, global warning, protesting). to these kids (of which i was never one) is like a rite of passage. Its easy to stir them up. RW’s kids are doing the same thing only they are conservative. Actually it gets me REALLY worried. If i were preaching and I mostly attracted 20 year olds, given the fact they I know the HAVE NOT lived life yet and ARE impressionable, i would QUESTION the message that Im giving. I would question the authenticity of their reasons for following my teachings. I get PISSED off on “professors” that endoctrinate youth to their way of thinking and I fear RW is guilty of the same…

    Steve

    March 24, 2008 at 2:45 pm

  5. Absolutely Weinland is guilty of the same. Bringing in the youngsters gives Ron&Co the advantage, in that the children are too naive and gullible, and will take whatever they’ve been spoon-fed by the charismatic “god’s end-time prophet”. Add to that the fact that they’re too young to have ever even heard of Herbert Armstrong, let alone the Worldwide Church of God, and the recipe for total indoctrination is complete.

    Even as recently as the Ratzmann shootings in LCG, the media didn’t know, nor make the connection between, the Living Church of God and the Worldwide Church of God.

    (Guarantee you, if it had been the mid-80s when that happened, WCG would have been all over the news.)

    WCG just isn’t even a blip on the radar anymore, and Junior’s perfectly content to keep it that way, while the demon-spawn splinters of his daddy’s inherited little church roll on and on and on and on.

    But of course the WCG is now “protestant” so they have nothing to do with any of the splinters. Nor any responsibility for stopping the abuses that go on in them.

    Hell, WCG isn’t even big enough to properly acknowledge, never mind atone for, the abuses that went on before Junior and Mikey “found Jesus”. As far as Feazell and Tkach are concerned, they’ve started with a clean slate: So instead of whitewashing false prophecies, the way Ron&Co are doing, WCG is whitewashing the horror stories of ex-members who were abused under the “old-style” regime.

    (A note must be made here that financial abuse under the current WCG still continues; while tithing is no longer mandatory, all funds “donated” to local WCG churches still go directly into Joe Tkach Jr.’s pocket.)

    weinlandwatch

    March 24, 2008 at 3:37 pm

  6. WW–
    I am listening to the 3/22 sermon again. Just wondering if you agree with me on this:

    To me, I am bit confused as to who Ron’s audience is as of late. His books seem to have a general audience in mind and explain the destruction of the world, etc.

    His sermons are now so cirular, and at times, I don’t know who his intended audience is. I think he may be really starting to narrow in on the members…. and his mind control techniques are really starting to show, which tells me that the outside world is absolutely of no concern to Ron.

    For example, in his announcements in the Mar. 22 Sermon, he says that his people shouldn’t even be telling others that they are MEMBERS of GODS CHUCH, because there are many people the “don’t like them.”

    Then he spins the message to the wonderful kingdom that’s coming.. which after the destruction of the world..people..into the THOUSANDS.. “outsiders” will be able to be “baptized” into the church.

    WW– do you pick up on this?

    Jim Hagerty

    March 24, 2008 at 4:25 pm

  7. Again, that’s fairly classic Armstrongism. See my latest post for more on Weinland’s rhetoric in this vein.

    weinlandwatch

    March 24, 2008 at 4:47 pm


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