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Armageddon Postponed Again: Weinland 04/03/2008: “The Day After Pentecost”

Weinland’s latest blog post:

“My wife and I, as well as Johnny and Myrtle Harrell, will be visiting Israel from April 14th through April 21st. [2008] We will be in Jerusalem on April 17th which is the day the First Trumpet of the Seventh Seal sounds. The process of all that will occur, with the sounding of the First Trumpet, will begin on April 17th [2008] and continue to increase in destructive power (consequences) for the following seven weeks. The Second Trumpet will not sound until after the Day of Pentecost. [June 8 2008]This does not mean it is near that date, but it means it cannot happen until after that day. [June 8 2008]

So the sounding of the first trumpet will “increase in destructive power” until the day after Pentecost [June 8 2008], hmmmmm? Kind of like the sounding of the thunders, isn’t it? In the book the seven thunders were supposed to increase in intensity before the seventh seal was opened [March 18th, 2008]. (Before the Seventh (and final) Seal is opened, the Seven Thunders will become so pronounced that the validity of everything written about them in the previous chapter should roar loudly in the ears of anyone who is willing to admit the truth.” [pp. 115, 2008: God’s Final Witness]”) Then the church recanted the book (which Weinland claims is inerrant, as the divinely inspired word of god), and started stating the seven thunders would sound in conjunction with the opening of the seventh seal (“The seventh seal is opened and the seven thunders intensify.”—form letter from Wayne Matthews to a baptized member) instead.

Now the first trumpet is being downplayed, and it’s “the second trumpet” that will determine whether or not Weinland is a false prophet. In the meantime, Weinland is out of the country, and the church is being left in the hands of its elders, and Passover Service Instructions have now been posted on the church’s website.

1:53:20 “Three More Weeks” RW March 29 sermon:

“If by Pentecost [June 8, 2008] I’m just going to make this real clear to everyone. If by Pentecost [June 8, 2008] it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching. Just so all the critics and everyone out there will understand. I am true to my word in these things. OK? And for all the critics if by the end of July and for most likely around Pentecost [June 8, 2008] if nothing has clearly caused great destruction and death I will make it very clear that I was a false prophet. I will do exactly what I said I would do on aaaaall those interviews that I have held. To do less. Well. Would be quite insane.”

So! For any critics who held Weinland to April 17th, 2008, now it’s “the day after Pentecost” [June 8, 2008]. What exactly, one wonders, will Weinland say on the day after “the day after Pentecost”? Atonement will be coming up next, and then the Feast of Tabernacles will be back on again.

Mark my words people, and this is one prediction I will stand behind: First the fast and then the Feast! The CoG-PKG will be whooping it up in Palm Springs for 8 days in October once again. This, after the Feast of Tabernacles was supposedly cancelled this year because of the great tribulation: Hearsay suggests the church’s reservations are still booked—I wonder why? Of course, we also can’t forget Weinland’s hard-and-fast prediction from Saturday’s sermon, “No president will take office in January of 2009.” That we can hold him to, if he hasn’t skipped town well before then.

Many critics are holding Weinland to the April 17th, 2008 date. I think the above amply demonstrates that doing this won’t matter, because Weinland keeps changing the dates, and making very few concrete predictions (save the ones in the books, which are now being verbally “spiritualized” away).

Also of note, the witnessing Weinlands are here claiming that they will be coming back on April 21st, 2008. I for one am surprised Weinland has not landed on the no-fly list, what with all his predictions of nuclear armageddon for several port cities in the US. Given that the  elders will be given leadership of their respective congregations this coming Saturday, what reason do the Weinlands and the Harrells have to come back? That’s if Weinland isn’t canny enough in hiding his delusions from the Israeli authorities, and doesn’t get carted away for Jerusalem syndrome while he’s over there.

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Written by weinlandwatch

April 3, 2008 at 2:33 pm

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  1. No WW, its a HARD date, with a SPECIFIC THING happening, NOT increases. he said that the FIRST trumept will 100000% happen (tens of thousandes dead and 1/3 usa destroyed and animals and birds dead) staring on April 17th, and i quote…Not the 1st day, 2nd day, 3rd day, not one week 2 weeks, but the LATER part of 45-90 days from april 17th….SO there is a HUGE HARD date here….90 days after april 17th…THAT 3 MONTHS PEOPLE….there is NO way to get out of THIS ONE

    Steve

    April 3, 2008 at 2:59 pm

  2. OK…but he cant claim ‘official status’ without PHYSICAL PROOF! Can he???
    He claims this on the 17th I think…
    The only thing that seems to be keeping his congregation there is their blind faith in this nonsense.

    Firestorm

    April 3, 2008 at 3:38 pm

  3. He also said in Saturday’s sermon (repeatedly) that he didn’t have “the foggiest idea” what is going to happen” on April 17th, and gave the “forty-five to ninety days” window for “the second trumpet”—while conveniently side-stepping talk of the first trumpet, except to say that if the destruction “predicted” in the first trumpet has not come to pass by “Pentecost (June 8th) or July” (again giving himself wiggle room), then he will stop preaching. That is a hard and fast date, and one I am certain many of us will (try) to hold him to.

    It seems likely, at least from early indications, that Weinland might not even be a part of the CoG-PKG by that time, since the elders now have control of their respective congregations, and everything hinges on Passover in Jerusalem going off without a hitch (members are told in the Passover service instructions that they may have to use last year’s service—not just European members who will be one day out of sync, but everyone is instructed to have a copy of last year’s service on CD or on their computers).

    weinlandwatch

    April 3, 2008 at 3:38 pm

  4. Ron is playing this like a harp. Think about how easy this may be for him.

    1. He takes off out of the country and goes to “Jerusalem.” Like WW said, he could end up broadcasting from anywhere, as long as his followers think he’s in Israel.

    2. It’s not very likely that Ron will be walking the streets in Jerusalem preaching. If he does, well I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes…. end time or not.

    3. The members and “elders” will not really know where he is. I have a strong feeling that he will communicate with this chosen few and I think they will all be led to believe he’s in Jerusalem. I doubt he will return to the States immediately.

    This gives him a very good out and the perfect time to escape to pretty much anywhere he wants. By Pentecost, I think he’s banking on being completely out of the picture. I wonder if the Harrel’s are really included in his travel plans or if he’s simply using that as a front. He could very well disappear before that. Who knows. I wouldn’t put anything past him at this point. The bottom line is… Ron has conveniently given himself 3 extra months to go completely underground.

    His statements about “I will stop preaching” if things don’t come to pass by Pentecost totally point to him doing just that. Why would he even bring that up if he 100% believed he’s a prophet and witness? I know some might say he made that statement because only someone who’s true to his word would do so…. that’s B.S. The “I will stop preaching” and “I will admit I am a false prophet” talk is exactly like saying “you don’t need to look it up because you know it’s true.” Mind control as it’s best.

    Now—– NOBODY has EVER heard Ron say that he will return the tithes PKG has received if he’s proven false. He’s just said he’d stop preaching…. that’s going to a given…. not only will he have to stop preaching, he may not be able to show his face again.

    jimmy

    April 3, 2008 at 7:28 pm

  5. Weinland definitely won’t return the tithes. He may not even have any tithes left to return, if the allegations about his expensive home in a prime location, his family’s multiple foreign cars, and the expensive gifts bestowed on the elders and their families are accurate.

    weinlandwatch

    April 3, 2008 at 7:36 pm

  6. Would he even be allowed to walk the streets of Jerusalem preaching? I thought I heard somewhere that Christian evangelizing is against Israeli law. (If I’m wrong, please let me know.)

    Q: Why will the Days of Unleavened Bread be the most trying ever for Ron Weinland?
    A: Seven days — without any waffling!

    Richard

    April 4, 2008 at 1:11 am

  7. “Would he even be allowed to walk the streets of Jerusalem preaching?”

    Found here:

    “If [Weinland] is not careful, the Israeli government will round him up or turn him right back around on the plane. I happen to know they know he’s on the way.

    If true (it comes from a respected ex-WCG source), this is very very good news. Who knows? It might even lead to a “postponement” of Weinland’s little trip. You listening, “elder(s)”??

    weinlandwatch

    April 4, 2008 at 1:32 am

  8. And I refuse to dignify that absolutely atrocious pun with any more of a response than YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeechhhhhhhhhhhhh, Richard. 😀

    weinlandwatch

    April 4, 2008 at 1:33 am

  9. WW, its easy to figure out if WW is going to Israel, There arent many flights out of the USA that go to Israel daily. They all probably connect through NYC. Its perfecty legal to confirm flights, all you do is find out the flights and call the airline and confirm if hes on the flight. Travel agents do this all the time as a coutersey for their clients.

    Steve

    April 4, 2008 at 2:56 pm

  10. Oh I’m sure Weinland has a flight booked. Whether or not he will actually get on the flight, and not be turned around at the other end, remains to be seen. The US State Department has visited this blog once, and both the Israeli Police and the Israeli Tourism Board have been notified of who Weinland is, what he claims, and when he will be there.

    (No, I wasn’t the one who notified those authorities. And the State Department could very well have been a spoof IP in my visitor logs; they never came back after reading the March 1 sermon notes.)

    weinlandwatch

    April 4, 2008 at 3:18 pm

  11. Ron will not be on a ‘no fly’ list of any kind. Can you imagine the positive reinforcement given to him if that happened? To hold him to his word, something ferocious has to happen on the 17th, not days, months, or years later.

    Scoot

    April 4, 2008 at 5:50 pm

  12. If he is on the no-fly list however, he will be present for, and have to be held accountable by, the members in the US.

    However, the US congregations are likely now going to give Weinland until Pentecost, or by July, thanks to last Saturday’s sermon. Something ferocious may have to happen on the 17th for Weinland’s critics to completely discount him, but the church itself will keep right on going along with Weinland until he sets another date in July. 😦

    weinlandwatch

    April 4, 2008 at 5:54 pm

  13. The church itself can go right on believing as long as they want to, in my opinion. I’m more concerned about the people sitting on the fence of ‘belief’ and ‘bamboozled’.

    On more than a couple of occasions, Ron mentioned April 17th as a day to reckon with. I have yet to see him totally back away from that day. He still claims that the first Trumpet will sound on that day.

    I am not a critic, although a heavy skeptic. While it is exciting and very scary to think that the end days are approaching, it is also important for those heavily involved in his teachings to go on with their day-to-day lives.

    I was under the impression that Jesus died for our sins so we could live each day, not batton down the hatches and kiss our butts goodbye.

    Scoot

    April 4, 2008 at 8:58 pm

  14. “I was under the impression that Jesus died for our sins so we could live each day, not batton down the hatches and kiss our butts goodbye.”

    LOL, that’s what the Worldwide Church of God used to teach, though. And that is exactly what Weinland’s group (and Pack’s and Meredith’s and Flurry’s) is teaching as well.

    weinlandwatch

    April 4, 2008 at 9:07 pm

  15. If in fact, that is what they believe in, I guess that’s up to them. I refuse to live by the ‘what if’ until it becomes a ‘has happened’.

    Scoot

    April 4, 2008 at 9:14 pm

  16. Good for you. Would that the rest of Weinland’s group felt the same way. 😦

    weinlandwatch

    April 4, 2008 at 10:43 pm

  17. so when is the seventh seal going to be opened? the first trumpet will sound on the 17th but the sealed is opened before the trumpet sounds. So is the seventh seal will be opened on the same day?

    hoover

    April 6, 2008 at 6:50 am

  18. The seventh seal was opened on March 18th. The church’s reaction to the non-event was “it’s all spiritual”. The next “event” to look out for is the first trumpet being blown on April 17th. But of course now it is, as above, “Pentecost or July”.

    weinlandwatch

    April 6, 2008 at 5:38 pm

  19. I disagree a little on that one WW. From what I have read and heard, the first Trumpet blow will have to be physical and the second Trumpet will blow in “Pentecost or July” which will cause further mayhem and death.

    I may be wrong, but I think RW said that the first Trumpet will be the loss of vegitation on earth and the second one will start the massive loss of life. Am I wrong?

    I was wondering about the people who think that RW is right about this. Is it SO important that he be right that they are rooting for the destruction, or are they convinced and thus scared of the destruction. I hope it’s the last one because if they are rooting for billions to die, then someone needs to be praying for their souls.

    Scoot

    April 7, 2008 at 11:00 pm

  20. Oh, and talk about ask (“if your going to edit, why not delete?”), and you shall receive…. lol

    Scoot

    April 7, 2008 at 11:03 pm

  21. Read the linked article. Weinland said in his March 29 sermon that if the third of all plant and animal life and tens of thousands of people dying had not occurred by Pentecost or July (the time at which the second trumpet is supposed to sound) he would declare himself a false prophet. As of April 7 however, Weinland is now on the record as saying “mid-July or even later than that”.

    weinlandwatch

    April 7, 2008 at 11:09 pm

  22. I read the article. However, a third of all plant life and animal life will not end in a day. It will take many days or weeks. It has to start with the blowing of the first Trumpet and not in mid-july or later.

    Scoot

    April 7, 2008 at 11:31 pm

  23. So what are you saying? You are following Weinland’s extended timeline of forty-five to ninety days now?

    weinlandwatch

    April 7, 2008 at 11:34 pm

  24. Yikes! NOOOOOOOO. I was saying that if what he said is true, the plant life has to start dying right at April 17th…..

    Scoot

    April 7, 2008 at 11:52 pm

  25. I am simply not going to let him move the goalposts back as he sees fit. While I am all but convinced that nothing will happen, the .02% says that if it is true then it HAS to start April 17. The first Trumpet will be heard by all. Isn’t that true?

    Scoot

    April 7, 2008 at 11:54 pm

  26. If RW is a “prophet in the end times”, shouldn’t he be a little more disheartened at the lack of belief and not just angry as heck that people don’t believe him?

    Scoot

    April 7, 2008 at 11:56 pm

  27. Apparently our witnessing end-time prophet of god has quite the anger management problem. According to hearsay of course.

    Sorry for the mixup. I didn’t think you were a “follower” which was why I didn’t get what you were saying. Absolutely the world won’t let Weinland move the goal-posts.

    Unfortunately word from friends and family of members is that the brethren are quite happy to extend the deadlines “as god progressively reveals”. 😦

    weinlandwatch

    April 8, 2008 at 12:00 am

  28. WW, I apologize for being misleading before. Maybe I just didn’t articulate my point.

    “If by Pentecost I’m just going to make this real clear to everyone. If by Pentecost it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching. Just so all the critics and everyone out there will understand. I am true to my word in these things. OK? And for all the critics if by the end of July and for most likely around Pentecost if nothing has clearly caused great destruction and death I will make it very clear that I was a false prophet. I will do exactly what I said I would do on aaaaall those interviews that I have held. To do less. Well. Would be quite insane.”

    To ME, that says, BY Pentecost, not ON. He still has to see a ton of destruction BY Pentecost or he will (or so he says) announce that he is a false prophet.

    I am definitely not a follower. I’m more like a baseball score-keeper making sure that the game doesn’t go into extra innings unless the score is tied.

    Scoot

    April 8, 2008 at 12:33 am

  29. And as far as I’m concerned, the members can follow him until their ‘end of days’ if they want to. However, if none of his prophecies come true (BY Pentecost, not on), then the rest of us can put this sleeping dog to rest and get on to more serious topics….. like COLLEGE FOOTBALL!

    Scoot

    April 8, 2008 at 12:35 am

  30. Oh, I’m definitely of the same mindset. I called foul on Ronnie boy after the the seventh seal opened as a “non-event” that was spiritualized away after the shock and horror failed to materialize.

    The members are the ones I’m worried about. The ones who WILL follow Weinland to the end. Especially the ones who might end up following him all the way through 2011………..and afterwards. The same way so many followed Armstrong from 1972, all the way through 1975…………and afterwards. My family joined in ’76. I didn’t want anyone joining Weinland’s group after March 18th, never mind Pentecost/June/mid-July/2011/whatever date Weinland comes up with afterwards.

    weinlandwatch

    April 8, 2008 at 2:01 am

  31. weinlandwatch,

    Just a few quick personal notes. The members and families involved with RW will not leave until they (in their own time) realize that he is wrong.

    I have only been researching this topic for the last few weeks and this site and Ironwolf’s blog are the two places that I look for information. I really appreciate the effort made by you and others to get the pertinent information so those of us who are coming into the game late can keep our heads on straight. Thanks for your time and effort.

    Everyone misses you at Ironwolf.

    Scoot

    April 8, 2008 at 4:46 am

  32. Deuteronomy18:20)[1]

    “But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have
    not commanded him to speak . . . that prophet shall die.”

    Will the elders stone to death RW if he proves to be a false prophet as the bible commands.

    Aaron

    April 12, 2008 at 1:08 pm

  33. Unfortunately not. I for one am just hoping the Weinlands and the Harrells get through the Passover weekend without turning Deut. 18:20 into a self-fulfilling prophecy. 😦

    weinlandwatch

    April 14, 2008 at 5:48 pm


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