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“Passover Service Instructions”

Here are the Passover Service Instructions as they were posted on CoG-PKG website. They suggest that, at least for the home-based congregations or the smaller churches, Passover might not involve a suicide pact. The larger congregations, headed by the elders remains an unknown factor; it is not known at this time if any of Weinland’s elders are as unbalanced as he is, nor if any of them are actually zealous enough to carry out the poisoning of their local congregations on Passover.

The Passover Service Instructions are basically as follows:

  • Buy your own wine.
  • Download last year’s Passover service if you are in Europe or even if you’re not, in order to “be fully prepared”.
  • The Passover service this year will be held in Jerusalem and will be posted on the site “immediately afterward” as a complete file.
  • Solemn evening, solemn ceremony, only baptized members may participate (classic WCG)
  • This year’s service is Friday evening, the 18th of April 2008, after sunset.
  • Footwashing part of the service not mandatory if you are by yourself. (OK that made me laugh)
  • Re-enact the last supper and ponder the last meal of the christ figure in the canonical christian new testament scriptures (classic WCG — there is no spiritual “flesh/blood” assigned to the bread and wine)
  • Sing In Thy Loving Kindness Lord or “if you don’t know the words just listen to the words of the song and ponder their meaning”

Please understand what I am saying here: According to what the church has posted, it does not look likely that there will be a suicide order given, on the evening of April 18th. However the service that will be uploaded by Weinland on the 18th after sunset is still an unknown factor.

Anything could be said in that service, especially as Weinland will be in Jerusalem at that time (if he is actually going there, and if he actually gets there without being turned around at the airport by the Israeli authorities), and might be in the advanced stages of Jerusalem Syndrome, Subtype II(i), at that time.

The other unknown factor is the local congregations. The elders will be in charge of their respective congregations as of tomorrow, and the Passover locations are as follows, based on what has been “announced” in the sermons (differing information may have been posted to the internal members’ mailing list; I don’t have access to that info):

  • Portland OR
  • Palm Springs CA
  • Colby Kansas
  • Columbia Missouri
  • Lubbock TX
  • Dallas TX
  • Dublin GA
  • Orlando FL
  • Virginia, “possibly the Ashland area”.
  • Hartford CT
  • Buffalo NY
  • Cincinnati OH
  • Stratford ON
  • Winnipeg MB

This list was accurate as of the March 15th sermon. It is unknown at this time, whether or not any of Weinland’s elders are zealous enough to go off on their own, and do something potentially harmful to their individual congregations.

Weinland may have been trying to head an event like this off at the pass, as it were, with his March 1 sermon:

14:08-14:39 RW March 1 sermon, “The Mystery of God Part 3”:
“It is important that everyone, primarily elders, do exactly what is given to them, no more, no less. There’s a good lesson in this because some of us are anxious to do things but it creates more work and I’ve had to do some of that this past week, because sometimes situations happen where it adds to a situation or a circumstance and things don’t function as well. So please, like it says in Revelations, don’t add to and don’t take away.“ (then he laughs)

The elders themselves are a significantly unknown factor. At least two of them are very young. Home-based congregations, or individuals keeping Passover “on their own” may be fine (depending on what is contained in Weinland’s Passover service message, and/or any “last-minute instructions” that may be sent out to members over the internal mailing list), but there is still a potential risk, and a greater risk for the larger congregations that will be meeting in the above locations.

(By “larger congregations” I mean the groups that are between fifteen – twenty members; the CoG-PKG is a very small church, and likely does not have a baptized, attending membership of over a thousand. If that many.)

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Written by weinlandwatch

April 4, 2008 at 4:15 pm

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  1. To be fair and balanced:

    I have never for a second believed the COG-PKG is entertaining, has entertained or will entertain in any manner the thought of any sort of “pact” as mentioned here whatsoever. The COG-PKG is a strict adherant of the Ten Commandments as written in the Levitical Code, and one of those is “Thou Shalt Not Kill” – and I do not believe Ronald Weinland or any elders would even consider such an order to anyone.

    According to posts I have read, it seems that the focus of the warnings (see this link) of “God’s Judgement” as written time and time again seem to be directed to full time and some part time ministry leaders of splinter congregations and also critics and opposers of Weinland himself. The congregation itself, I don’t believe even once I have ever heard anything whatsoever on the order of what is discussed in this thread. WCG breakoffs, even as crazy as this one, don’t seem to have the same mindset of well known cults who have had that particular mindset. So, I dont think any fear of the COG-PKG doing anything at all on that type of order on Passover as talked about here is warranted at all, and I’m not sure why that idea is even really being entertained, as Weinland himself I don’t believe has ever even suggested anything like that in any of his congregations at all. In fact, I believe one interview he actually condemned the other organized fringe cults that did exactly that (i.e. Koresh)

    One thing if interest I have noticed, if I may mention, is that Weinland is returning on April 21. Why? He’s supposed to stay in Jerusalem, not come back, at least according to the Bible! Right?

    shadowsofwcg

    April 4, 2008 at 7:05 pm

  2. So what part of “According to what the church has posted, it does not look likely that there will be a suicide order given, on the evening of April 18th.” do people fail to understand? I am saying it doesn’t look likely, given the information that has been posted, that the church will engage in a suicide pact on Passover.

    I am not, however, going to say that it is completely impossible: No one knew Jim Jones was going to do it. No one knew David Koresh was going to do it (and if anyone has a link to the interview where Weinland condemns suicide cults, do post it here), nor Marshall Applewhite nor……&c., &c. and on and on.

    As I have said from the beginning: I want to be wrong. But the possibility, however slim, does exist, and I would much rather be wrong and have said something, then be right, and have said nothing at all.

    “One thing if interest I have noticed, if I may mention, is that Weinland is returning on April 21. Why? He’s supposed to stay in Jerusalem, not come back, at least according to the Bible! Right?”

    That is the other factor. I don’t believe Weinland will be returning. If he even gets out of the country and into Israel in the first place. And even if he does, and he does return from Israel (without the assistance of the authorities), it does not seem likely, given his actions in past congregations with both Worldwide and United, that he will be returning to the CoG-PKG.

    Given everything Weinland has said, all of the claims that he has made, and given his clearly inflated sense of self-importance, do you really, truly think that Weinland is going to be able to, come July, just back up and go “Whoops! False prophet here! Sorry about that!”??

    That doesn’t seem likely either. “God progressively reveals”, after all, so Weinland (if he is still with the church by that time, or even in the public eye) will just pull another “divine date” out of his—out of thin air—and the church will go on, just as before.

    weinlandwatch

    April 4, 2008 at 7:42 pm

  3. “So what part of “According to what the church has posted, it does not look likely that there will be a suicide order given, on the evening of April 18th.” do people fail to understand? I am saying it doesn’t look likely, given the information that has been posted, that the church will engage in a suicide pact on Passover.”

    I understand what you are saying, you made that quite clear *grins*. What I was doing was giving *my* viewpoint and opinions on the general topic that the main post was concerned about – just based on what I’ve been observing and my personal take. I wasn’t insinuating you thought that that was what was going to happen.

    And yes, I totally see your viewpoint on the latter point. I’m not certain myself if he will be quite up to admitting himself as a false prophet on the dates he has set. More likely, he will get “new understanding” which will supercede the book even though the book was “inspired by God” – and nevermind it was wrong – that part just seems to go in one ear and out the window.

    shadowsofwcg

    April 4, 2008 at 7:50 pm

  4. OK that’s good—-you aren’t the only one who’s told me that though. 🙂

    Re: “In one ear and out the window”: 1975 in Prophecy, anyone? 😦

    weinlandwatch

    April 4, 2008 at 7:51 pm

  5. Well…. I have to say that what it looks like here is, again, that Ron is just lining up the pawns. I am starting to think that a suicide pact is not likely.

    But what is very odd in all of this is Ron’s trip to “Jerusalem.” In just about every way, Ron is the typical WCG splinter group……. the way he speaks, how he twists Bible verses, mind control techniques, collecting tithes, shutting his people off from the outside world… and most importantly, LACK OF TRUST.

    Ron claims to be the only one carrying on Armstrongism in this day and age. Armstrong NEVER trusted anyone. There were A LOT of people that had alot on him… allegations that were proven to be true and some that still remain unknown, however, much of it revolved around MONEY.

    My question is at this point: Ron Weinland either is so delusional that he actually is going to just pack up and go to Jerusalem and start preaching as one of the witnesses and he believes he is one of them. At the same time, he will leave his “congregations” to some hand-picked elders, some of which are very young. He says he’s returning on the 21st. Even if he does come back, those 4-5 days can be pretty much left to the “elders” to do pretty much what they want. Now, like WW said, the elders are either just as out of touch with reality as Weinland is and will do whatever he says, or this trip to Israel is just a front. There is no way, as paranoid and distrustful as Weinland sounds he would just walk away form his beloved church…. UNLESS he is deciding to NOT COME BACK. This would not suprise me.

    Keep in mind that Ron has been traveling all over as of late and the real sermon has been conducted from wherever he is. It looks like not until now has he “assigned” locations for his elders to take over. And it sounds like each one of these elders is pretty much in charge of where they have services. I don’t know how many hotels have been booked, because there are not real church buildings. It sounds to me like a good majority of Ron’s followers will be conducting Passover services by themselves.

    How many members will actually attend services at these 14 locations is not known, but I think it’s pretty acccurate that Ron’s only got about a couple thousand members globally………

    It looks exactly to me like he’s just walking away. I can’t see him just letting his flock just do whatever it wants…. even though he says he’s coming back in the 21st.

    I think it’s safe to say the members won’t see their leader again….

    Any word on his kids? Where are they going from the 17th-21st?

    jimmy

    April 4, 2008 at 10:09 pm

  6. 14-21st. And I would be very surprised if Weinland’s group has a thousand baptized and attending members globally.

    “It looks exactly to me like he’s just walking away.”

    There is precedent for Weinland to do precisely that. See the links for Worldwide and United in my comment above.

    weinlandwatch

    April 4, 2008 at 10:15 pm

  7. I remember hearing in a radio interview when talking about his death in jerusalem, he made it pretty clear that he would NOT be there by his OWN doing, that he will GET there because “they” (the pope who wants him dead) Will send for him. I dont get this pro-active trip to the holy city AT ALL…
    WW – I NEED SOME INSIGHT….Whats up for tomorrow??? is RW giving a LIVE INTERNET sermon??? Will all the ELDERS be giving their own tomorrow??? try to explain this to me? WHERE do you thin RW is going to be this saturday?

    Steve

    April 5, 2008 at 4:33 am

  8. Those are the very same questions I have been pondering.

    It seems likely (although I cannot guarantee) that the elders will be giving their own sermons in their respective congregations tomorrow. Weinland did say in last week’s sermon that the next two sermons would be on how to keep Passover and the days of unleavened bread.

    (Which suggests that not too many of “the scattered church” came back into the fold, if Weinland has to give the membership such basic instructions.)

    Likely the elders will be giving sermons on the same topics. The sermon was not “live” last week, and only time will tell whether or not it will be “live” this week, or even uploaded at all.

    As for where Weinland will be, my money is on Cincinnati. He likes to make a big deal about announcing where he’s going to be, and he didn’t say anything about this week, just that they would be in Jerusalem in two weeks.

    weinlandwatch

    April 5, 2008 at 2:14 pm

  9. Yup Weinland was in Cinci, and will be next week as well. Apparently there’s some kind of new computer program that’s being instated that the elders will be using.

    And oh yes, the highlight of my week was being called a demon. Not even “demon-possessed”, I actually qualify as an honest-to-god DEMON. I’m so proud! 😀

    weinlandwatch

    April 5, 2008 at 8:24 pm

  10. Shadowofwcg

    I think the reason that some of us are concerned about a suicide order is that 1) some of us have VERY close friends/family in the group and even the possibility is enough to scare us to action 2) the degree of control that this man exerts over his followers leads me to believe that if he ordered it, my best friend and roommate would follow it.

    Concerned

    April 6, 2008 at 12:09 am

  11. Oh, I absolutely understand your concerns, no question there. Even the remotest possibility would be an extreme concern for anyone. My take was just based on my experience with the churches of God, and based on knowing Ron personally for a few years. But I do understand your concerns, rest assured.

    shadowsofwcg

    April 6, 2008 at 5:41 pm

  12. I think we can safely say (with an extremely small margin of error) that nothing untoward will happen on Passover, at least not as far as the membership is concerned.

    Now the only ones to watch out for will be the Weinlands and the Harrells in Jerusalem. 😦 And any “last-minute instructions” that might be sent out over the mailing list for baptized members only.

    weinlandwatch

    April 6, 2008 at 5:48 pm


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