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“Open the pod bay doors HAL!” The Church’s Escape Clause

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Posted here by the user known only as “w”.

“W” first appeared on the old Ironwolf forum, and has long been thought to be a church insider of some sort, based on the information he has provided to the Internet forums about activities inside the church. My responses are in brackets in bold.

This is the back up plan for Cog-pkg if Ron is not who he says to the church by the middle of July 2008.  All these ideas were released within the last couple days. So, this plan is not set in stone.  This is the plan released to a select few members for input if the 45-90 day prophecy fails to come to true.”

“w” just clarified the origins of this plan here:

The e-mail was not sent out to more than ten people, so not even all the elders know. (I wasn’t supposed to receive the e-mail, so my identity is still hidden) A few lay people did receive the e-mail too.  Weinland & the others are still waiting on the 45 to 90 days to finish before moving forward.  If a major natural disaster or actual terror  event occurs before the middle of July 2008, then all bets are off.  Keep in mind these individuals actually do believe in the two books(including Weinland).”

  1. Series of sermons stating why & what happened, including repentance by Weinland in late July 2008. [Pre-meditated repentance? Or a repentance coerced by threat of coup d’etat?]
  2. Appointment of Harrell as head of the church(of course God/Christ above him in their organization) and Matthews in Australia. [We figured that anyway.]
  3. Others that are considered preaching elders will become evangelists. [Better kiss those asses rosy boys! Promotions are in the offing!]
  4. New elders would either start to preaching in their areas in the months afterwards or in 2009. [Better get in early, if you want to be in the Levitical chain of command at all, n00bs.]
  5. Harrell, Matthews. Wroyzek(sp?) [Read: The Three Stooges] would take over the weekly sabbath and annual holy day sermons, beginning in August 2008. [Can’t’cha just picture these good ol’ boys rubbing their hands together in glee at the thought of finally being able to brow-beat the brethren themselves? There is an upside to this for us demons as well: No more sermons that are all Weinland, all the time. Although Matthews preaches as though time stood still circa 1985, in my opinion. And Harrell really needs to drop the “Christ our older brother” schtick, if he wants to retain any credibility whatsoever.]
  6. Weinland cease preaching and would no longer be the pastor in any capacity after August 1, 2008(depending on any legal matters) Harrell would take over at that time. [“Depending on any legal matters”? What the hell does that mean?! If he’s sued for the tithe monies, he won’t forfeit his position? Or will he forfeit his position so he can’t be sued for the tithe monies?]
  7. The new theme would be most of the same, except that we are still in Ladiocea, but the final 3 1/2 years is coming soon, but not September 2011. [So are they going to imitate Clever Gerry Flurry, who is predicting another Great Trib. to hit us in 2009, or are they going to go the route of Spanky Meredith, and fudge on the “five to ten to fifteen years” front?]

Still no word on who exactly concocted this not-so-brilliant “plan of attack”, no word on who exactly “the select few members” actually are, and I really do have to wonder if this does not suggest some form of insurgency in the ranks? This new information offers several possible conclusions:

Plan A: The Three Stooges got tired of being in silent film, and wanted to move into the world of the talkies. This suggests that ministry in the higher echelons of the church have known all along that Weinland and Wife were both certifiable. Harrell, Matthews, and Wrozeck have just been waiting for the opportunity to strike. Think there’s any gold left in those disillusioned sheeple, boys?

Plan B: This has all been concocted in Weinland’s mind from the beginning, and it is his well-planned-out safety valve. (This plan requires that Weinland’s 19th April sermon, which was clearly screwloose, was either intentionally so or Ronnie was feeling the Jerusalem Syndrome hit a little too hard while he was preaching.)

Plan C: This heretofore-thought-unsinkable ship has finally hit the damn iceberg already, and it’s every ministurd for himself.

I wonder if the Three Stooges plan on ruling jointly? What the hell would that monarchy look like? Also, re: “the new theme would be most of the same”, does that mean they will retain Weinland’s oddball unitarianism, or are they going to go back to their binitarian roots?

Taking wagers now! Place your bets now ladies and gentlemen! The odds are long and it looks like this outfit is getting ready to cash in its chips!


Written by weinlandwatch

April 23, 2008 at 12:29 am

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  1. I left PKG over a year ago. As of Feb 2007, RW had been saying, back then even, that he would no longer be the pastor anyway as his duties will have shifted from being the minister to the prophet instead. There are no plans for a Feast of Tabernacles 2008. I think that since before Passover 2007, the PKG has known this.
    (I consider myself atheist now)


    April 23, 2008 at 12:51 am

  2. Thanks for the info. I still say this church (Whatever remains of it; early estimates may have been incorrect; they likely have somewhere between three and five hundred members globally, not between five hundred and a thousand.) will be celebrating the Feast of Tabernacles yet, although I have seen elsewhere allegations that the 2nd tithe for this is being sent in to the church to support “the end-time work”.

    So has Weinland “signed over” his duties as PG of the church already? This could be why Harrell, Matthews and Wrozeck are now planning this possible (and poorly-executed) insurrection.

    Or was this Weinland’s plan all along?


    April 23, 2008 at 1:00 am

  3. He may have elevated the “3 Stooges”, but I suspect that his daughter is the treasurer of the corporation.


    April 23, 2008 at 1:30 am

  4. Nonono, according to the plan above, the three stooges are hoping to elevate themselves. You follow me now?

    Re: Audra Weinland (the daughter) cooking the family books: I have read that as well. (It was posted by “anonymous” over on AW a long while back, I believe.)


    April 23, 2008 at 1:36 am

  5. That’s your plan “A” variation. From “W”s post, sounded like wRonG would consider cooperating in the plan if nothing developed by July.


    April 23, 2008 at 1:41 am

  6. Hmm. Perhaps. The disheartening point of it all being that they are giving him till July at all. He has already been proven false, countless times over. 😦


    April 23, 2008 at 1:43 am

  7. To be fair, the kids grew up with this. RW has been not only their minister and father. I don’t think, until and unless each can come out of it, that it can be right to throw them into the mix. I’ve met them both, and I think (well, I hope) that they do the best they can with what they have. They both seem pretty smart, I just hope they can make the move soon.


    April 23, 2008 at 1:46 am

  8. i agree WW, it is disheartening that he has been discredited so many times. Is it possible that nothing like a magnitude 8 quake or anything happens before August? Unghh, i hope not.


    April 23, 2008 at 1:52 am

  9. For the diehards (who are already grasping at a minor tremor in a predicted earthquake zone), they are going to take anything they can, and twist it to fit, rather than own up to the fact that they have chosen to follow Weinland’s clearly unstable delusions.


    April 23, 2008 at 1:54 am

  10. Hah, i actually was born about 100 miles from where the epicenter of that quake was. We had a quake of about that size when i was a boy….used to live right over the New Madrid fault line (the fault that produced a quake so large that the Mississippi river reversed direction)…they’ve been predicting a HUGE quake along that fault for a long time. (sorry, just a little aside there)

    Also, i just thought i’d let you know this is one of my favorite posts .


    April 23, 2008 at 2:00 am

  11. Thanks for further debunking those quakes. Yeah, it’s quite a rush, getting a good scoop. Now if only it was on a more positive subject……. 😦


    April 23, 2008 at 2:06 am

  12. I’m one of those who’se been watching this for a long time and have been very concerned for those who will eventually figure out that this has been a false prophecy. I already saw an earlier post that one person went athiestic over their acknowledgement of RW being wrong. I contine to pray for those who will open their eyes soon that they won’t drop everything (like the Sabbath), but will return to asking God for help in truly finding Him.

    Help them back

    April 23, 2008 at 3:22 pm

  13. Not that I am completely unbiased in the matter, but being an atheist is NOT, contrary to popular belief, a long walk off a short plank into the LoF. Religion and spirituality are two entirely separate entities; it is far better, after having been in a closed high-demand religious group, to give religion a break for a while.

    It also helps to remain skeptical about all religions, if you decide to rejoin one. Especially those religions that claim they are “the only true church”.


    April 23, 2008 at 3:32 pm

  14. WW – Well stated. The sheer magnitude of finally figuring something like this out will likely be greater than the earthquake RW is waiting for, and will be very hard for them to come to terms with. Absolutely no concern on my part about a lake of fire for those who have been misled. Only hope for their return to sanity, which I hope will also be a return to God.

    Help them back

    April 23, 2008 at 3:38 pm

  15. We may disagree (peacefully I hope!) on what “return to sanity” actually means, but I wish that for Weinland’s few remaining followers as well. 🙂


    April 23, 2008 at 3:45 pm

  16. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE WITNESSES ARE BACK in the good ole U.S.A.?????


    April 23, 2008 at 6:52 pm

  17. No idea. Nothing on Weinland’s blog about it. He did make a big deal about it being a round-trip though, so unless he slipped up and the Israelis have booked Weinland and wife for an extended stay at the Kfar Shaul spa, I haven’t heard anything on the grapevine that suggests they are back. I think, given the sermon of 19th April, combined with the “leaked” email above, Weinland is wisely lying very low, wherever he is.


    April 23, 2008 at 6:56 pm

  18. Weinland will make more atheists than Christians by the time he is done. That is what Herbie did, and that is what this false prophet will do. Armstrongism is a cancer that is only cured by the victim fasting (withhold tithes) and prayer (thinking for ones self).

    In the end the only winner will be Weinland. You see, he got the money! This is what the whole exercise is about. MONEY! Nothing more…..



    April 23, 2008 at 11:49 pm

  19. Maybe. After listening to the entirety of the April 19th sermon, I really do think Weinland believes his own patter. He may not have at the beginning, but he clearly appears to have bought into his own holiness, at least according to the “It Has Begun” opus.

    I agree that it is about the money, but how do you explain his concrete date-setting, and the already-failed list of predictions that haven’t panned out yet? If it was only about the money, Weinland would be saying “in this generation” or “ten to fifteen years” or something along those lines. Not giving dates, and then backtracking and hysterically extending the deadlines when the original ones aren’t met.

    It is about the money. The question is, who is the mastermind behind it all? Clearly can’t be Weinland, at least not from this past weekend’s oratory, and the above “leaked email”.


    April 23, 2008 at 11:57 pm

  20. WOW, you guys are still around! Thats more than I can say for RW.
    KSCRIBE – just for the record, personally I never considered RW a Christian since he did not beleive that Christ was God and only the Son of God (whatever that meant). Anyone that turns athiest on him probably was new to RELIGION anyway…
    So, My POPE is Home and he said GOD BLESS AMERICA before he left, NOT GOD DAMN AMERICA and RW said!!!!


    April 24, 2008 at 2:31 am

  21. weinlandwatch said..

    “I agree that it is about the money, but how do you explain his concrete date-setting, and the already-failed list of predictions that haven’t panned out yet?”

    Well, perhaps he is mentally ill or then again, maybe he has a passport that has a destiny “unknown.” Who knows. The failed predictions will be forgiven by the the membership. Why? Because they BELIEVE that the old fart really is a spokesperson for God. This is the memberships identity. THEY are the CHOSEN. THEY are GODS people. They are IMPORTANT…ect. Some people feel a need to be part of something better themselves. The membership must EXALT themselves above others in order to feel important. Pity the poor bastards.

    Really, I had a losing attitude like that years ago. I was insecure and searching for answers, as all of us were at one time.

    Now as to the Herbster. In my opinion, herbie the wanna be apostle of God began to believe what “others” were saying about him. Perhaps he bought into Herman’s BS about being an apostle. This is called delusional. Self delusion that is.

    It seems people love a label that exalts them above others. Why else would you buy a ticket to hell and have a smile on your mug? See the Orange Papers for more.



    April 24, 2008 at 3:16 am

  22. RW puts himself much, much higher than Herbert. Infact, RW admitted HA was wrong on some of his teachings and said he just didn’t know better because he was not a prophet of God. So he made excuses for H.A.. He was just Elijah. So for those who love H.A. he was just an Elijah. Didn’t comunicate with God Like RW whacky does. God even told Ron to change a couple words in the bible and put in commas which were left out becuase with that comma it made a big difference in the meaning of he sentence.
    How dare him. One time he says how sick,sick,sick how other religions change the bible and yet whacky did the same thing. What a hypocrite.
    About keeping the church going he is having all the elders or who ever they are doing, get more people in and i bet they will have to split the money with Ron. They will send it to where ever he will be hiding. At least that rings true to me after someone who knows him mentioned that to me. I didn’t think so at first, but the guy convinced me that very well could be.
    About him going on Radio shows and saying he is not a prophet of God. That will never happen. He is to prideful for that. The most prideful man i have ever know. The more i was around him and Laura the more i saw it in both of them. I really don’t know if they were always like that, at least not when we were out together. Then they changed so much. iIt was like i didn’t know them anymore. Even when we couldn’t give as much money as we use to give, they started to turn cold to us. I should say they just didn’t seem to be as friendly to us anymore. True Colors.


    April 24, 2008 at 4:47 am

  23. RW is probably in the Netherlands or Belgium. It’s been his habit the last few years to go there for spring holy days.

    Just wanted to comment also, about the reference to my being atheist now-no offence taken, by the way-but my leaving wasn’n an overnight decision, it was over a few months that I went through my re-evaluation or “crisis of faith” if you will. Because I see no need, at this time anyway, I am and I think I will remain an atheist. If God were to maybe part the heavens and say something like-“I think I need to set everyone straight now.” Then at that point, I’ll definitely listen up. Until or unless that happens, it would be a matter of my taking things on faith. Those days are over, for me.


    April 24, 2008 at 4:18 pm

  24. Hey, join the club, happy atheist-for-religion, agnostic-when-it-comes-to-spirituality over here. Religion sucks. Churches suck. What really matters is what you think, behind your own eyes, and no minister can ever really, truly, tell you what you actually believe. Any of them that tries is a monster. AKA Weinland.

    The way I look at it, the only thing I have to worry about is living my life to the best of my ability now, and making the world I am living in NOW a better place. Not dreaming gently of some kingdom they’ve been waiting that hasn’t come, for over three-quarters of a century now.

    When it comes right down to it, if I am wrong, and I get brought up in the Third Res. after all, I will gladly take my long walk off the short plank into the LoF. I certainly wouldn’t want to live in that kingdom for all of eternity. The dry run was bad enough!


    April 24, 2008 at 4:32 pm

  25. I was a WCG member for thirtysomething years. RW was our associate pastor for a while. When the church fractored into 500 little peices I stayed with WWCG for a year or two. I was fortunate enough to have JC show me how wrong I was in my past beliefs on how to have a relationship with him. I was quite angry at God for awhile, blaming him for my being deceived by a con artist. But now I know what true christanity is, nothing close to what I grew up beleiving. My family & some of my close friends are in RW’s web of deceit. Trying to convince them RW is a prophet of doom, a false prophet of doom is like trying to convince me twenty years ago HWA was a wacko. If you believe it’s true only God can change your thinking. Prove RW is con artist just like his mentor.


    April 25, 2008 at 11:37 am

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