Back to The Future: RW Sermon 04-26-2008
Is it me, or was the sermon on the 26th a rehash of every Last Day of Unleavened Bread sermon I have ever heard in my life? Trust me, it sounded like a sermon that could have been delivered without a single alteration, sometime in 1982. Download here or stream here.
Good news for those wanting to keep a close eye on Weinland and his group: The only key part of the sermon is the first fifteen minutes (this is what will be edited out of the sermon before it goes up on the church’s web site). The rest of the sermon was an absolutely classic WCG Days of Unleavened Bread closer.
Many many thanks and a lot of gratitude to Shadows of WCG‘s “J” for transcribing the first fifteen minutes for me. I know just how mentally exhausting that actually is. Many thanks to “J”! The complete transcript of the first fifteen minutes is below. Ambassador Watch also has a comment on “The Weiner Effect”.
“J” has also written an open letter to Weinland and the elders of the CoG-PKG. I have serious doubts any of the elders will even read it; if they do, it will probably be with an eye towards how this is going to negatively affect their all-important cash-flow.
As Bereans Did, a biblically-based blog that is debunking Weinland from the canonical christian scriptures, also has a post about this sermon.
There is also a post at Don’t Drink the Flavor-Aid about this sermon. Bob Thiel, Living Church of God apologist who maintains the CoGWriter blog, also has a post about this sermon. While we disagree theologically, Thiel and I both have the same thoughts with regards to the CoG-PKG, that it is bad news, and should be avoided. When another Church of God group is warning against the PKG, that should be a sign heralding the end, in my opinion—the end of Weinland’s group.
But let’s let Weinland speak for himself.
“Well the Harrells, Laura, and I had a safe trip to Israel and safe return, and really be glad to be back in the USA, let me say. Uh, I don’t plan on telling much about the trip right now, I may mention some things as we go along here from time to time but I don’t want to take away from other things here in the sermon and so forth. But again I imagine I will say some things, uh, in some of the sermon from time to time, when it comes into mind when it has the appropriate connection.
“But we’re in Detroit today, Detroit, Michigan…Not knowing how things are going to transpire, how things were going to take place, where we’re going to be from one time to another, and uh, we are very unique in the sense that, uh, we go day by day and week by week, especially right now, so, anyway, um…
“I can’t stress enough how glad I am to get back here to the States! That part of the world is not the best part of the world to be in during the Days of Unleavened Bread and Passover season. And maybe I’ll make some comments later on, but anyway.
“I thought I’d mention here how I’ve been amazed at how God is working things out, and uh, we had a – close to double the traffic on the website last weekend, last Sabbath, especially, which we knew would be higher because of the rumblings going on, some of the curiousity, some of the different attitudes and so forth that are so prevalent out there, that we had a few thousand more coming to the website on the Sabbath than normal, so compared to the average before that.
“So some were really stirred up and curious over what would be said, obviously concerning the 17th, some had ears to hear, and obviously, there were a lot that didn’t. And that’s the way it’s always been, and those being drawn by God through the normal process obviously were able to hear it, when I think about what Daniel said when he said there are things we would understand and there’s only one reason and that’s because of God’s Spirit leading, guiding, directing and working with us, and that’s the only way anyone can really hear, spiritually, what was being given.
“So thought I’d mention here from all the reports we’ve been receiving back, it sounds like the Passover weekend last week was successful, in the many areas where brethren were able to come together, it’s always exciting that we can still do those things for a time here, and I am very excited by that, that we have opportunities right now, because many years ago we felt when the final three and a half years came that at the very beginning it would be nuclear weapons at the very start. That it would be a great war in the very beginning and great destruction from the get-go. And I made comments in times past wouldn’t it be a wonderful blessing if we didn’t start out that way. And quite candidly, even during the first four trumpets. It doesn’t affect the rest of the world the same way it’s going to affect this country, Canada, and some of the other Israelite nations, scattered Israelites nations in the beginning, and the longer that period is, the better it is. The longer it is until the fifth trumpet blows, which as everyone understands is when the ten nations come together in Europe, the more that’s postponed, the longer it is, in our thinking anyway, those things have already been mapped out long ago, it’s just that we don’t know what they are specifically, that the longer that is, the better it is. There’s going to be enough hardship in this world, in fact I don’t know how some of you felt last week but uh... as things get closer… it’s a horrifying thing to contemplate and to realize what man is going to have to go through…
“Because of the period we’re in right now, possibly next Sabbath or the Sabbath after that…
“Now that we’ve gone past the 17th, God has made a few things clearer, and um, going to be very much to the point about all this, and as everyone knows, we are not going to have a gathering for the Feast of Tabernacles this year, just as I’ve continued to say since this past feast, as I’ve said in the past as well, some may be able to get together in some areas for a little bit on the High Days or on the Sabbath, just as you are able to now. In some areas. So, we don’t know. We have to wait until God shows us. And that’s exactly how things are going to go all the way through this process. We’re going to know as we go along here a little more specifically, on some timing, I’ll discuss these things later on, again, we realize maybe some will have that opportunity, but I do want to be clear here that because of this last Sabbath, God has made it abundantly clear, and it’s also posted on the site, I wanna clear some of this up, I’ve talked about the 45 days and the 90 days, that was done on the James Whale show, primarily to give an idea here on the general timing of events for his sake and the listening audience, we see how quickly he got onto that one, I’m joking, he didn’t, he never could get it, toward the very end I think he finally got it, you know, when I was saying 45 to 90 days. I want to make it real clear. Nothing will happen specifically about the second trumpet obviously until after Pentecost… so we are going to have the opportunity to get together again on Pentecost, and we are planning that, so again, I can’t plan certain things until I know, What happened last Sabbath, I didn’t know what the 17th was going to bring fully, by any measure, but uh, it is very clear that we will not have anything happen on a massive scale to prevent us from coming together on Pentecost. So all the Elders in all the areas that set up locations, we’re going to use the same locations again as a whole, so I’d like to ask all the Elders to please make plans accordingly, and to rent the facilities as necessary because that is a Sabbath, and High Day the following day on Sunday, so that gives us another opportunity to do like we did last weekend. So we are going to have that opportunity again… We are going to have the opportunity to come together again on Pentecost.”
Compare and contrast this with the following quote from Three More Weeks:
“If by Pentecost it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching. Just so all the critics and everyone out there will understand. I am true to my word in these things. OK? And for all the critics if by the end of July and most likely around Pentecost if nothing has clearly caused great destruction and death I will make it very clear that I was a false prophet. I will do exactly what I said I would do on aaaaall those interviews that I have held. To do less. Well. Would be quite insane.”