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Back to The Future: RW Sermon 04-26-2008

Is it me, or was the sermon on the 26th a rehash of every Last Day of Unleavened Bread sermon I have ever heard in my life? Trust me, it sounded like a sermon that could have been delivered without a single alteration, sometime in 1982. Download here or stream here.

Good news for those wanting to keep a close eye on Weinland and his group: The only key part of the sermon is the first fifteen minutes (this is what will be edited out of the sermon before it goes up on the church’s web site). The rest of the sermon was an absolutely classic WCG Days of Unleavened Bread closer.

Many many thanks and a lot of gratitude to Shadows of WCG‘s “J” for transcribing the first fifteen minutes for me. I know just how mentally exhausting that actually is. Many thanks to “J”! The complete transcript of the first fifteen minutes is below. Ambassador Watch also has a comment on “The Weiner Effect”.

“J” has also written an open letter to Weinland and the elders of the CoG-PKG. I have serious doubts any of the elders will even read it; if they do, it will probably be with an eye towards how this is going to negatively affect their all-important cash-flow.

As Bereans Did, a biblically-based blog that is debunking Weinland from the canonical christian scriptures, also has a post about this sermon.

There is also a post at Don’t Drink the Flavor-Aid about this sermon. Bob Thiel, Living Church of God apologist who maintains the CoGWriter blog, also has a post about this sermon. While we disagree theologically, Thiel and I both have the same thoughts with regards to the CoG-PKG, that it is bad news, and should be avoided. When another Church of God group is warning against the PKG, that should be a sign heralding the end, in my opinion—the end of Weinland’s group.

But let’s let Weinland speak for himself.

“Well the Harrells, Laura, and I had a safe trip to Israel and safe return, and really be glad to be back in the USA, let me say. Uh, I don’t plan on telling much about the trip right now, I may mention some things as we go along here from time to time but I don’t want to take away from other things here in the sermon and so forth. But again I imagine I will say some things, uh, in some of the sermon from time to time, when it comes into mind when it has the appropriate connection.

“But we’re in Detroit today, Detroit, Michigan…Not knowing how things are going to transpire, how things were going to take place, where we’re going to be from one time to another, and uh, we are very unique in the sense that, uh, we go day by day and week by week, especially right now, so, anyway, um…

“I can’t stress enough how glad I am to get back here to the States! That part of the world is not the best part of the world to be in during the Days of Unleavened Bread and Passover season. And maybe I’ll make some comments later on, but anyway.

“I thought I’d mention here how I’ve been amazed at how God is working things out, and uh, we had a – close to double the traffic on the website last weekend, last Sabbath, especially, which we knew would be higher because of the rumblings going on, some of the curiousity, some of the different attitudes and so forth that are so prevalent out there, that we had a few thousand more coming to the website on the Sabbath than normal, so compared to the average before that.

“So some were really stirred up and curious over what would be said, obviously concerning the 17th, some had ears to hear, and obviously, there were a lot that didn’t. And that’s the way it’s always been, and those being drawn by God through the normal process obviously were able to hear it, when I think about what Daniel said when he said there are things we would understand and there’s only one reason and that’s because of God’s Spirit leading, guiding, directing and working with us, and that’s the only way anyone can really hear, spiritually, what was being given.

“So thought I’d mention here from all the reports we’ve been receiving back, it sounds like the Passover weekend last week was successful, in the many areas where brethren were able to come together, it’s always exciting that we can still do those things for a time here, and I am very excited by that, that we have opportunities right now, because many years ago we felt when the final three and a half years came that at the very beginning it would be nuclear weapons at the very start. That it would be a great war in the very beginning and great destruction from the get-go. And I made comments in times past wouldn’t it be a wonderful blessing if we didn’t start out that way. And quite candidly, even during the first four trumpets. It doesn’t affect the rest of the world the same way it’s going to affect this country, Canada, and some of the other Israelite nations, scattered Israelites nations in the beginning, and the longer that period is, the better it is. The longer it is until the fifth trumpet blows, which as everyone understands is when the ten nations come together in Europe, the more that’s postponed, the longer it is, in our thinking anyway, those things have already been mapped out long ago, it’s just that we don’t know what they are specifically, that the longer that is, the better it is. There’s going to be enough hardship in this world, in fact I don’t know how some of you felt last week but uh... as things get closer… it’s a horrifying thing to contemplate and to realize what man is going to have to go through…

“Because of the period we’re in right now, possibly next Sabbath or the Sabbath after that…

“Now that we’ve gone past the 17th, God has made a few things clearer, and um, going to be very much to the point about all this, and as everyone knows, we are not going to have a gathering for the Feast of Tabernacles this year, just as I’ve continued to say since this past feast, as I’ve said in the past as well, some may be able to get together in some areas for a little bit on the High Days or on the Sabbath, just as you are able to now. In some areas. So, we don’t know. We have to wait until God shows us. And that’s exactly how things are going to go all the way through this process. We’re going to know as we go along here a little more specifically, on some timing, I’ll discuss these things later on, again, we realize maybe some will have that opportunity, but I do want to be clear here that because of this last Sabbath, God has made it abundantly clear, and it’s also posted on the site, I wanna clear some of this up, I’ve talked about the 45 days and the 90 days, that was done on the James Whale show, primarily to give an idea here on the general timing of events for his sake and the listening audience, we see how quickly he got onto that one, I’m joking, he didn’t, he never could get it, toward the very end I think he finally got it, you know, when I was saying 45 to 90 days. I want to make it real clear. Nothing will happen specifically about the second trumpet obviously until after Pentecost… so we are going to have the opportunity to get together again on Pentecost, and we are planning that, so again, I can’t plan certain things until I know, What happened last Sabbath, I didn’t know what the 17th was going to bring fully, by any measure, but uh, it is very clear that we will not have anything happen on a massive scale to prevent us from coming together on Pentecost. So all the Elders in all the areas that set up locations, we’re going to use the same locations again as a whole, so I’d like to ask all the Elders to please make plans accordingly, and to rent the facilities as necessary because that is a Sabbath, and High Day the following day on Sunday, so that gives us another opportunity to do like we did last weekend. So we are going to have that opportunity again… We are going to have the opportunity to come together again on Pentecost.”

Compare and contrast this with the following quote from Three More Weeks:

If by Pentecost it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching. Just so all the critics and everyone out there will understand. I am true to my word in these things. OK? And for all the critics if by the end of July and most likely around Pentecost if nothing has clearly caused great destruction and death I will make it very clear that I was a false prophet. I will do exactly what I said I would do on aaaaall those interviews that I have held. To do less. Well. Would be quite insane.”


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April 26, 2008 at 10:04 pm

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  1. How sad. How sad and how very unfortunate. I don’t know what to say because no matter what I say it will be negative. This is what I had feared would happen. That he would just go on like nothing had ever occurred, moving the goal line again, and never keeping his word to renounce himself. Those poor people who follow him!


    April 26, 2008 at 11:29 pm

  2. Yes I feel the same way. 😦


    April 26, 2008 at 11:42 pm

  3. GREAT JOB WW!!!! Your segue from today’s RW transcript to the “Three More Weeks” sermon was absolutely seamless. It was like: CHECKMATE! GAME OVER RON!

    Keep pounding away; you have my sincerest gratitude for all of your hard work.

    Mr. Arkadin

    April 27, 2008 at 1:24 am

  4. I must say, Weinland did most of the hard work for me!

    So did a couple of “J”‘s: One of them typed the transcript, the other made the audio clip. Those two really are on the side of the angels!! 🙂


    April 27, 2008 at 1:30 am

  5. In response to this “checkmate”, I have issued an open letter to the COG-PKG, which is on the shadows website. You can feel free to read it at the website linked above.


    April 27, 2008 at 1:53 am

  6. J’s open letter is, as he said, linked above, or here.


    April 27, 2008 at 1:58 am

  7. Huh? He couldn’t stay in Jerusalem and encounter the persecution the Two Witnesses are supposed to face?

    And did he wear sackcloth for his sermon today? (Rev. 11:3, KJV) Isn’t he supposed to do that?

    The mayor of Birmingham, AL actually gave out sackcloth for a city prayer vigil this weekend. If a non-Sabbath-keeping mayor can do that, why can’t the Two Witnesses?


    April 27, 2008 at 2:13 am

  8. Just in case no one wants to go through the entire sermon from today, the relevant contrasting clips are now embedded in the post.


    April 27, 2008 at 2:39 am

  9. There are many of us who are indebted to WW, Shadows, AW & others, who, with tremendous integrity have allowed many to see a false prophets that Jesus warned about. Hopefully, through your service many will open up their Bibles and compare the Inspired Word of God with the ravings of men. Jesus told his disciples “You can detect them by the way they act, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit” Matthew 7:16.

    There is a bright light cast by knowing “that all scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives.” 2 Timothy 3:16. As some have already mentioned there is a dearth of teaching from and accurately quoting from scripture. Of course, RW states that the scriptures are not to be read toward any understanding except what he is going to explain to you.

    From a prophecy (eschatology) stand point RW has developed a much distorted time-line, assuming that he picked up where his mentor left off, starting the Seal Judgments in the ‘90’s. If RW is right, major global events have had to occur by this time in prophecy, and they would be affecting the planet now. If you take the scriptures at God’s word that they are inspired and profitable for studying then they are the ‘gold standard’, not what the prophet is saying. A true prophet does not supplant scripture with his words.

    From what has been learned through these blogs and reading the ‘words of the mentor’ the foundation poured was again not based in scripture. Since then RW has an ocean view but is building a house on sand. In interpreting scripture the ‘plain sense’ or ‘literal sense’ of a passage is important because it was inspired by God, and the bible many times interprets itself.

    From Revelation we see there is a lot that has supposed to have happened by now as global signs to everyone, All of the following are from God for everyone to see.
    Rev 6-8 7 seals white horse, red horse rider with a mighty sword to remove peace ‘and there was war and slaughter every where, black horse food shortages, pale green horse ¼ of the earth killed, 5th seal the scene in heaven of those who are martyred 6th during the tribulation.. The sun is darkened and the moon becomes red as blood.

    7th seal fire is thrown upon the earth, followed by the 1st trumpet with more fire to the earth with 1/3rd of the earth set ablaze, 2nd trumpet 1/3rd sea becomes blood like, 3rd trumpet 1/3rd of the earths water spoiled, 4th trumpet 1/3rd of the sun, moon, and stars are struck, and the 5th trumpet opens the apparently demonic forces from the bottomless pit. Instead RW tells us ‘that the 5th trumpet is when the 10 nations come together in Europe.’

    Daniel (12) hears a heavenly conversation from one ‘linen clothed man’ to another asking ‘how long will it be until these shocking events happen? The other heavenly person replies ‘it will go on for a time, times, and half a time’ and next is a key to understanding when ‘When the shattering of the holy people finally come to an end, all these things will have happened”.

    Daniel asks (Dan 12:8) How will all this finally end, my lord?” v9 “But he said, “Go now Daniel for what I have said is for the time of the end”. The heavenly being gives Daniel (& us) more clarification by saying that “from the time the daily sacrifice is taken away and the sacrilegious object that causes desecrations set up to be worshipped, there will be 1290 days.”

    The scriptures say more about this period of time, the end time, than any other time period in both the Old and New Testaments. Certain things God has kept from us, but others He has explained. There are several very key events, the dealings of men, a treaty, and the practice of faith, that appear to signal this last 31/2 years. Many believe those men are alive today.


    April 27, 2008 at 5:33 am

  10. I guess RW will, by his own words, be considered insane because he is most definitely not going to declare himself a false prophet by pentecost.
    You know what is truly insane? Thinking and believing you are truly a humble person, yet in reality are extremely self-centered and proud, so arrogant that he will not say “I was wrong”.
    I reiterate, what does a false prophet do for a job after they fall? He can retire and his wife can work at Wal-Mart. Since nobody has seen or heard from her, she doesn’t have to list “second witness” on the employment application if she doesn’t want to.


    April 27, 2008 at 12:59 pm

  11. I can see so clearly that Weinland is suffering from extreme mental illness. He appears to be suffering from schizophrenia, is clearly psychotic, exhibits paranoia, and seems to be totally narcissistic. That, to me, spells I-N-S-A-N-E! If he cares at all for the people he has conned (which he doesn’t), he would check into a mental hospital asap and step down from the ministry for life.

    His wife also needs help. I’m thinking maybe Dr. Phil could help her.

    I feel so sorry for those Weinland has duped. They need a new shepherd, someone that cares about them and leads them to green pastures, not the poison they’ve been chewing on.


    April 27, 2008 at 3:46 pm

  12. I see that Bob Thiel has posted his opinion from the sermon, borrowing from your transcript. He also thinks the sermon title is the one you’ve mockingly given it.

    I have my take on yesterday’s sermon up on my blog, clicking my name above will link to it.

    Ekimks (Mike)

    April 27, 2008 at 4:03 pm

  13. Yeah I knew BobThiel was going to post about it, he requested the information from me. The way I see it, the more info out there the better. The fact that a LCG apologist is saying Weinland is all wet, might just get through the last true CoG diehards hanging on at this point.


    April 27, 2008 at 4:18 pm

  14. I think Thiel should have given you a link. But at least he gave you credit.

    I suspect that the False Witness has gotten all the ex-WCGers that he’s going to. Do you know, does he require that these people be re-baptized?

    I suspect many of the 40 people he baptized recently were young doomers without a CoG history who were snared by his sponsored links campaign on Google.

    Ekimks (Mike)

    April 27, 2008 at 4:46 pm

  15. Apparently, ex-WCGers are now required only to admit that they were “spiritually asleep” in order to be admitted into the church. According to earlier sermons, I believe they did need to be re-baptized, but Weinland has said recently that as long as they admit they were spiritually asleep, they did not require baptism.

    No idea whether or not ex-Worldwiders are still required to pay the baptismal tithe however.

    Also, if you add up the numbers Weinland gave in the sermon, they come out to only thirty-four baptisms, NOT forty. Contrast this with only thirteen baptisms the week previous. Something’s not right somewhere, and it’s not just with the numbers.


    April 27, 2008 at 4:51 pm

  16. If anyone wants to download the two audio clips (which I have inline in the post above), you can get them here:

    Excerpt 1 (The “nothing will happen on a massive scale on Pentecost” quote.)


    Excerpt 2 (“The “If by Pentecost” quote.)


    April 27, 2008 at 5:05 pm

  17. Actually, I hate to say it, but I think the figure of 40 is correct. He rattled off the count, so I typed the figures into Excel as I was preparing my post this morning and came up with the same amount.

    Another possibility is that my brain is damaged from listening to him too much. 😦

    Whether the number is 34 or 40, it’s that many too high. Not only that, based on your answer about baptism they are new victims of Weinland’s particularly Wacky version of Armstrongism.

    Ekimks (Mike)

    April 27, 2008 at 5:11 pm

  18. Yes I would entirely agree that too much Weinland can be toxic to one’s cerebral cortex! 🙂

    The numbers are indeed too high. I have to wonder why they have jumped, from thirteen the previous week, to forty this week?

    Still, on a global scale, it’s a drop in the bucket. For those forty the church has gained, there is no telling how many people who’ve been with PKG for the seven years, will TRULY have “the ears to hear” the two audio clips above, and vote with their feet.


    April 27, 2008 at 5:16 pm

  19. And lest we forget, as recently as four months ago, Weinland was predicting “millions and millions” to be baptized (which post has since been removed from his website conveniently). Forty = “millions and millions”? Not hardly.


    April 27, 2008 at 5:35 pm

  20. Probably not too many people in PKG have the ears to hear right now. We can hope by Pentecost that some will remember back 10 weeks to his March 29 sermon and start voting. Hopefully some of them will visit your site (at least the one’s not in the street for failing to pay their rent/mortgages).

    I downloaded that sermon from the PKG site last week and the material you quoted was still there, at around 87:30 into the file. Will be interesting to see if it’s still in there on Pentecost or gets edited out.

    Ekimks (Mike)

    April 27, 2008 at 5:41 pm

  21. Talk about lowering the bar on what it means to be a prophet. Hey maybe I can be a prophet too. Hey Aunt Bertha, do you want to be a prophet? Everyone dance, because we’re all prophets. God is speaking through us all, except when He is not. This is sure fun.


    April 27, 2008 at 5:45 pm

  22. It’s really still there on the church’s site? They must be getting lax, someone else told me it had been edited out. Oh well. Looks as though they are damning themselves with that one.


    April 27, 2008 at 5:57 pm

  23. “Many also believe those men are alive today.”

    And those “many” who believe thus are making a tidy little profit.


    April 27, 2008 at 6:09 pm

  24. It was still there as of several days ago. But they have plenty of time to edit for the benefit of their flock — I doubt many there are questioning yet the validity of the First Trumpet.

    Ekimks (Mike)

    April 27, 2008 at 6:26 pm

  25. I don’t know. Given the few rather public defections as of late, I am wondering how many have been sitting silently on the sidelines, and are now quietly beginning to draw away?


    April 27, 2008 at 6:42 pm

  26. he is not making any sense at all. he keeps changing everything.


    April 27, 2008 at 8:08 pm

  27. Does anyone know how many people attend his sermons? How many are active members in PKG?


    April 27, 2008 at 8:17 pm

  28. Actual numbers are a very closely-guarded secret within the PKG. For several years their numbers held steady at 300 baptized and attending members. The last “official” (i.e., word of the church) announcement from nine months ago was 311, so not a lot of growth, etcetera. Apparently 500 attended the 2007 Feast of Tabernacles, but likely the additional 200 were visitors, and not regular church attenders by any stretch of the imagination to begin with.

    Presuming the weekly baptismal numbers are uninflated, with an average of 20 baptisms per week, and assuming an average of 15 members per location, the church may have around five hundred members now. That is only IF those who are baptized don’t leave shortly thereafter; it must also be noted that the church does NOT publicize its rate of attrition, which is suggested to be between one and four members weekly, from each area.

    Taking all those factors into consideration, I would say that the church’s baptized, tithes-paying membership is likely between three hundred and five hundred members globally.


    April 27, 2008 at 8:25 pm

  29. “And lest we forget, as recently as four months ago, Weinland was predicting “millions and millions” to be baptized (which post has since been removed from his website conveniently). Forty = “millions and millions”? Not hardly.

    He probably meant 40 million. In prophetic organizations, only the wise understand and know the code. All men who want to be elected officials, ministers, priests and Popes need to pass through a mental detector. Ron, Dave and Gerald would have set off all the whistles and bells and gotten their flights cancelled.

    M.T. Hall

    April 27, 2008 at 8:47 pm

  30. In reading what you transcribed of this most recent sermon, he has made a huge (and well documented) doctrinal shift. Does he stand accountable to any sort of board in the church?

    At about 17:11 in the current sermohe talsk about ‘getting things situated in Switzerland’. Is this in anticipation of his jump to hyperspace?

    The lack of economic implosion in the US seems to be working in his favor for the collection of special tithes for the organizatiion. I have read several stories of the financial ruin that some members experience. He does not seem to be preparing his flock for their inevitable fiscal collapse.


    April 27, 2008 at 8:49 pm

  31. oops, sorry about the spelling


    April 27, 2008 at 8:50 pm

  32. Unfortunately no there is no oversight committee nor board of directors that Weinland can be held accountable by. He learned that lesson early, thanks to his experiences with his United Church of God congregation.

    Nevertheless, the elders apparently have a backup plan in place. It remains to be seen whether or not this plan will be implemented, and what final form this will actually take, now that Weinland has publicly contradicted himself beyond all doubt.

    Shadows of WCG has written an open letter to the elders, pleading for them to “do the right thing”. It is impossible to say which of Weinland’s elders are in it just for the money, and which of the ten “select few” who were e-mailed the backup plan, are drinking the Kool-Aid—and how soon or how late they will “do the right thing”.


    April 27, 2008 at 9:10 pm

  33. Maybe 34 or 40 were baptized. But i bet there are just as many leaving. You don’t here that.


    April 28, 2008 at 12:01 am

  34. Correct. A posited attrition rate for the church is one to four members per area per week. Thus, if the baptisms continue to average between 10 and 20 (as they have been, with the exception of last week), the numbers cancel each other out, and the numbers remain static. A close guesstimate is that the attending and baptized membership is between 350 and 400. There’s no way, based on the figures above and X-CoG-PKG’s indications, that the church has much more than 500 members globally. I would be extremely surprised if they had more than 500.


    April 28, 2008 at 12:05 am

  35. I hope that Open Letter is read by the Parents of the hundreds of Children who are following this nut!


    April 28, 2008 at 12:31 am

  36. I listened to this guy for awhile and even sat through a number of his interviews. His predictions on the first trumpet seem to be extremely ignored. I may have heard his interview wrong, but his first trumpet was going to happen over a 45 to 90 day period which I have seen does not even line up with the book he wrote.

    My hopes are that this man will be exposed to all as soon as possible. Hearing his story of the Tribulation, my hopes were that what he was saying was not true. What a horrible outlook.

    I am a Christian and I believe whole-heartedly in Jesus as Messiah, but I believe so many people over the years have misused and abused His Name. I pray Jesus does return soon, but not in the way Ron Weinland paints His Coming. I pray it will be soon however.

    God bless,


    April 28, 2008 at 2:16 am

  37. hi everyone,….you know,isn’t it just a tad bit crazy when people get sooo caught up
    in obsessing on the end of times,when really we should all just live a little for today,and as for the ron unit think he needs to get hold of some glastonbury festival tickets geton down to some serious chooooonage and let his hair down lol..also whats this about him ordering cancer on the people who mock him,you would’nt have heard our lord jesus christ saying such a thing to the people who mocked him,in fact didn’t he just before he died on the cross,did he not ask his father to forgive them for they know not what they do!…he didn’t ask that cancer be brought upon them…so really if ron loves his brothers he should ask our father that he may forgive those who seek to mock him,because god is all about real love…so the ron unit should be aswell,you know sort of a reflection of kindness and love…
    thats all…peace out!


    April 28, 2008 at 7:56 pm

  38. Just another kook who is preaching “replacement theology”. Since the beginning, everyone tries to “replace” the Israelites with themselves. The two wittnesses are BIBLICAL JEWISH MEN, not modern Rabbinical or other, not women, but Hebrew Faith Men (there is a huge difference). RW is just another who wants to replace the truth with himself and create a following for his own personal gain. The two wittnesses will be humble, poor, BIBLICALLY observant, and LIVE in the Land of Israel. These will not live the high life like RW and spend 30k a month on luxurious travels, and they will not come BACK to the US and complain about the harshness of the Land of Israel. They will be a product of it.

    File this kook under……another.

    J Gibbs

    April 28, 2008 at 8:11 pm

  39. Can you imagine what the Jerusalem people thought (those who talked to Weinland and his group)? “Oh sheesh, here comes another high-falootin American claiming to be the one and only true witness/prophet/messiah/what-have-you, to OUR country. Who the %@## do they think they are, anyway?” He probably found out he’s not the first one to try that stunt. And I suspect they were not very well received in any way, shape or form.


    April 28, 2008 at 8:54 pm

  40. Weinland obviously was smart enough to confine his “witnessing” to the hotel room and the voice recorder; otherwise Israeli authorities would have booked he and the missus on a one-way trip through the Kfar Shaul Mental Health Centre


    April 28, 2008 at 10:13 pm

  41. I guess, then, that they were there strictly as tourists?


    April 28, 2008 at 10:39 pm

  42. I guess I should expand on that question. I mean, to the Jerusalem authorities, they were there strictly as tourists? What other reason would they give to be there? To keep the Holy Days in Jerusalem? I sure wish I could have been a fly buzzing around listening to all that went on. LOL


    April 28, 2008 at 10:41 pm

  43. That seems to have been the consensus. I absolutely cannot see the Israeli authorities even letting them on the plane at JFK if they had disclosed the real purpose of their little trip.

    According to how much Weinland complained about the desolation of the desert, the problems with not being Jewish during the Passover and Unleavened Bread season, and the fact that they were probably holed up in the hotel room with a fan going the whole time, methinks it wasn’t quite the successful trip they had hoped for.

    Regardless of how “agitated” Weinland felt on the banks of the Red Sea, he admitted in the sermon of the 19th that he didn’t tell anyone at the time. Because he knew for certain they would have been booked into Kfar Shaul ASAP? Or because he had just enough common sense left under the haze of delusion to realize that being arrested by the Israelis would have been a very bad thing?


    April 28, 2008 at 10:45 pm

  44. If he only has 1335 days (from April 17th) to witness, he sure has squandered the past 11 days. By golly, if I am going to have a witness on the payroll, I want him (or her) to witness! I thought the witnesses were for the whole world, not just a select few.

    Maybe he should go find Jacob in the cabin to tell him what to do next.


    April 29, 2008 at 12:29 pm

  45. And don’t forget, one of the two witnesses is “the silent witness”.


    April 29, 2008 at 1:22 pm

  46. A poster on another blog put it so poignently. This whole RW fiasco, as well as with the other COG splinters, results directly from them using extra-bibilical “pet” theories about Israel and the 10 tribes. You have to believe their British-Israelism theory for his and other “end-time” COG churches to make sense. Once you debunk that theory, which has been, the whole thing falls apart.
    They hold on so tightly to this theory and place it right up there with the very gospel of Jesus. In reality, it masks the true gospel. British-Israelism is RW’s and other COG splinter’s gospel message.


    April 29, 2008 at 2:24 pm

  47. Absolutely agreed. An objective analysis of Anglo-Israelism and its complete and utter lunacy, renders all of the Church of God splinters false (also renders some of them, depending on the severity to which they take their “beliefs”, racist b@st@rds).


    April 29, 2008 at 2:38 pm

  48. I really like “littlepinkpixie’s” comments. It has been sticking in my mind and i don’t know why i didin’t think about it.
    Jesus ask His Father to forgive them for they no not what they do while on the cross.
    Ron’s mocked and he wants them all to be killed.
    I hope someone who reads these blogs takes a hard and serious look at pink pixes comment.
    Ron for sure is following satan. No love for anybody but his own selfish being.
    I would hate to be in his shoes on judgement day.
    Ron like you tell everyone else, “REPENT, REPENT, REPENT”.


    April 29, 2008 at 6:49 pm

  49. Jesus Christ was consistent. It wasn’t only when he was dying at the crucifixion.

    En route to Jerusalem, at a Samaritan village He was refused accommodation. When James, John and Ron saw this they asked if they should bring down fire from heaven and consume the villagers. Christ rebuked them, pointing out that He had come to save people, not destroy them.

    Then He offered a much simpler solution – ‘They went to another village’.


    April 29, 2008 at 7:58 pm

  50. “James John and Ron”?

    You’re giving Weinland a little too much credit there methinks questeruk. 😉


    April 29, 2008 at 8:18 pm

  51. And I would hardly call the text of the canonical New Testament christ figure’s actions “consistent” but that’s just me. 🙂


    April 29, 2008 at 8:47 pm

  52. “James John and Ron”?

    I would have included Mrs Ron as well, but she was just the ‘silent witness’, and said nothing!


    April 29, 2008 at 9:33 pm

  53. 😀


    April 29, 2008 at 10:09 pm

  54. It is weird that you dont hear anything out of the second witness. I guess she is there just to be a witness, not witness to people. Weird.

    Did they make a documentary of their trip in Israel? Did they meet with any head of state like HWA did? What did they do there?


    April 29, 2008 at 11:29 pm

  55. Yes Laura Weinland is supposed to be “the silent witness”. From what I gathered of the 19th April sermon (in between the bouts of RW spewing vitriol at his mockers), it seemed to me like he was saying her job was to witness (i.e., watch) him while he was witnessing (i.e., prophesying).

    Weinland had mentioned in a sermon about a month ago that there was supposed to be a film crew following them around Jerusalem during the trip. No idea how or why that didn’t pan out, or if it did, why Weinland has not made any mention of it in the sermons since.


    April 29, 2008 at 11:38 pm

  56. I believe alot of the stories in the Bible are just stories for an example.
    OH ww, help me out here. What would that be called?
    Not saying they all aren’t true, but was many, many years ago. The Bible is a learning book for how to live on earth. The very MAIN thing i think we should go by is how we treat other people as we would want to be treated. It is that simple. period..


    April 30, 2008 at 12:04 am

  57. OH ww, help me out here. What would that be called?


    And I entirely agree: The ONLY good thing to come out of religion is the Golden Rule. Everything else is just legislation.


    April 30, 2008 at 12:06 am

  58. Thank you. Parrable… yes..


    April 30, 2008 at 12:12 am

  59. i totally agree with x cog pkg,….as jesus said,and i’m not sure who it was jesus said it to,maybe to the apostles…you do to my brothers you do unto me!…so it’s what we do in our actions of our every day that really counts….so praps ron could go around with some hot soup in some town giving it out to the homeless sometime, or help out in some deprived community….i guess we more fortunate people should be doing this anyway that includes me…i best try harder


    April 30, 2008 at 8:02 am

  60. is ron now a “silent witness” as well? maybe it is because they have nothing to witness?

    i’ve been thinking. it’s apparent that RW did not get along well with the authority in the different COG splinters he’s been affiliated with. if you can’t be an apostle, or pastor-general, or whatever, what better way to trump them than being a witness. at the end time, isn’t it God, Jesus, Witness, then Apostle?

    i can hear the conversation now. “so what if you call yourself an apostle. I am a witness!” i will breath fire on you if you don’t bow down to me and acknowledge my God-given position as a Witness.

    the question i have to ask is, if a witness witnesses, and nobody listens, what’s the point? i’d love to hear an update from RW. he was so certain of everything and now, what? almost two weeks of silence.

    there was a lot of entertainment value of having “god’s final witness” on some of the radio programs over the last year. i guess, for RW, going down in history as a VERY minor footnote as a false prophet is better than nothing at all. by the way, don’t you have to be a minor prophet before you can become a major prophet?

    of course i discovered i am a prophet as well. i am predicting, as God’s witness, that RW is a false prophet. that’s right, make no mistake, in fewer than 1322 days, probably a lot sooner, RW will be marked as a FALSE PROPHET.


    April 30, 2008 at 4:13 pm

  61. http://www.ronaldweinland.com/ is down for couple of days at least – anybody knows why? Overdue hosting bills 😉 ?


    April 30, 2008 at 4:37 pm

  62. Looks OK to me. He hasn’t updated it recently. Maybe he’s still trying to deal with the aftershocks of angry members who were expecting bang for their buck on the 17th April, not to mention any side-effects that may have come about as a result of the leaking of Plan “B”.


    April 30, 2008 at 4:39 pm

  63. I guess our firewall guys decided to block it 🙂 They are real demons sometimes.


    April 30, 2008 at 4:56 pm

  64. These splinters doooo come up with “group” names…

    “World Wide Church of God”
    “Global Church of God”
    “Intercontinental Church of God”

    What next…. Church of God of the Universe?
    Galaxy Church of God?

    Seems they can start a Scie-FI show…


    May 3, 2008 at 4:31 am

  65. “21st Century Church of God”

    “Church of God, Eternal”

    “Restored Church of God”

    “Living Church of God”

    “United Church of God”

    “Church of God International”

    “Church of God, An International Community” (yes those are two different splinters)

    “British-Israel Church of God”

    “Enduring Church of God”

    “Church of the Great God”

    “Church of God, 7th-Day” (This is the mothership that spawned the mothership; if Loma hadn’t joined up with these con artists, none of us would be sitting where we are today. Thanks for that Loma.)

    Then we have those that break the mold which, in my opinion is worse: These ones you have to actually check into their background and doctrines, before you realize they are splinter groups:

    “Christian Education Ministries” (yeah yeah yeah they’re not a “splinter” they are “a support ministry”—potAYto, poTAHto)

    “Triumph Prophetic Ministries” (looks like Dankenbring has jumped on the false prophet bandwagon too “god” help us)

    “God’s Talents Ministries”

    “Rock Vallley Church” (they seem independent and open-minded, but scratch the surface and listen to those sermons and you’re in for a shock)

    The list, all totalled, comes out somewhere in the neighbourhood of 700+. And yes, I count the “independent” congregations as splinters as well, because they were (in most cases) affiliated with WCG, or one of the larger splinters at one time.


    May 3, 2008 at 1:50 pm

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