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“I Don’t Care. I Go Forward.” RW Sermon May 3, 2008

Update: First one and a half hours of the sermon is transcribed here.

Stream here or download here. I didn’t bother listening to the sermon this past Saturday, I needed a vacation from the end of the world.

Shadows of WCG has the relevant quotes and a sermon summary here. Highlights include blaming the congregation for wanting to see something physical, apparently the church has lost membership after April 17th, and the claim that the church has remained steady at 300 members.

The church officially announced it had 311 members nine months ago, before its last concerted push leading up to the great tribulation. Thus, I’m not really sure what to make of this Saturday’s claim. Given the indications, it is likely that number could be lower than 300 now, and Weinland is just rounding up.

Weinland also makes mention that all the money they threw into Google (which was guesstimated to have been upwards of $5500 a month) ended up breaking the church, and apparently has now ended up being all for naught, as it didn`t draw in the millions and millions of fresh fish that Weinland expected. Weinland then promises to return the tithes to any who have regretted giving over and above their annual 10%. Here’s the catch: Members feeling such regrets must contact Weinland before Pentecost to get their money back.

Is this a crafty lead-in to “plan B”? Or just more prevaricating on Weinland’s part? Is Weinland drinking his own Kool-Aid or just handing it out? Regardless of what is apparent to those of us on the outside, the church may be already starting its own end-game, with the promises of returning donations that people are expressing regret for giving. Whether or not Weinland is at the helm of it all, or is being carefully guided by his elders into a planned series of sermons claiming repentance, remains to be seen.

Mike, from Don’t Drink the Flavor-Aid, posts an appeal to Weinland’s daughter, allegedly the business manager of the corporation: “Audra, Give Back the Money”. Mike issues an appeal to Daddy’s Little Bookkeeper to return the money that has been cashed out of tax-shelter programs (for which the members are going to be dinged, come income tax time, if they haven’t been so already), and without being contacted by any members expressing their regrets in doing so.

If Audra Weinland is indeed (as has been alleged) the business manager of the corporation, and if she has been (as we are surmising, given the traffic statistics for the various blogs) the one monitoring the bulk of the Internet chatter, will she step up to the plate and do this? Doubtful, as she is clearly benefiting from the spoils of spiritual war her father has already accumulated from the faithful few.

As Bereans Did asks the pertinent question, “Who Are the 144,000?” For any members of Weinland’s group who may have believed they could buy their spot among god’s special chosen elect, they are either in for a nasty shock, or they are (shockingly) starting their own rumblings within the organization, and it has nothing to do with thunders or the great tribulation that hasn’t materialized. Also don’t miss the excellent rant from ABD, “Are You God’s Prophet or NOT Ron?”

Ambassador Watch, last but definitely not least on the list, has our Tribulation Update, and important news about another new blog, I Survived Armstrongism.

Never mind Rotten Ron, methinks Junior might be starting to get a little antsy: We, the “lost generation” are all grown up—and all the carrion crows are coming home to roost. Junior better get himself a bird-repellent umbrella.


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May 4, 2008 at 3:15 pm

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  1. hmmm…o dear,o dear…looks like there’s trouble stiring in mordor,oh i mean cog.pkg…so ron is stressed out..well we can all see why but what about his followers….expect they have all got big headaches….you know he should be carefull of what he wishes for….so just maybe and contrary to popular belief with cog.pkg,just maybe almighty god is actually working elsewhere helping all sorts of people in different situations and organizations all around the world….as we are
    all his precious children,whom which he has great love and concern for…though ron would have us all believe that he and his church have the excusive rights only to god oh and those only who are having there eyes opened……..well what a load of ………..god wants us all to let him in to all our lives, he’s there even when people don’t want to know him….and he will never never never shut the door and lock it on any one ……remember seek you shall find him people he is never far away just wants us all to talk to him and to love him after all our god is a jealous god he wants all his children…. peace out


    May 4, 2008 at 6:45 pm

  2. It sounds like many are starting to wake up – whew! We all knew it would happen eventually, but we grieve to hear that some might have given up their retirement or at least a large chunk of savings hoping that might push God into getting started. Keep praying for these people – help them back…

    Help them back

    May 4, 2008 at 7:10 pm

  3. As I listen to RW’s sermon of yesterday, he is into a major waffle. He is blaming people for misunderstanding and putting the consequences or non events are not his problem but the member who expects to “see” things. They are misunderstanding his interviews, his book and even his sermons …God forbid. He is beginning to use all the classic Biblical disclaimers…”my ways are not your ways,” “God see’s not as a man see’s” etc. The man is just incapable of saying, “I believe I might be wrong about this Revelation stuff.” I wonder how Ron would react to understand where the book came from to begin with.

    Filler sermon words that mean . Honest, I’m telling the truth, come on…believe me…rather like the Apostle Paul who resorted to , “I lie not” and could only appeal to “God as my witness” because no other human believed him or saw what he saw.

    “so again,”
    “truly, truly”
    “they truly are”
    “it’s easy to fall into a trap”

    M T Hall

    May 4, 2008 at 9:38 pm

  4. PS He speaks in such broad sweeping generalities. Typical of WCG background…the book of Revelation , supposedly revealed by Jesus, but of course, RW can only bring himself to say “God” and Jesus get’s little press. Now no one understands that it all happened and was in the news…”amazing” but didn’t understand it. Ron pretty much now understands that the world won’t get it, see it, feel it, know about it, or perceive it…it still happened.

    M T Hall

    May 4, 2008 at 9:56 pm

  5. I’ll ask it again. Did anyone witness this sermon — and report whether he wore sackcloth? (Rev. 11:3) Or is that somehow not literal?

    And if that part of the verse isn’t, why should anyone think the 1,260 days in the first part of the verse is literal?

    By the way, shouldn’t a minister of God know how to “count the cost” of a big evangelistic campaign such as Google ads?


    May 4, 2008 at 11:59 pm

  6. The false prophet already answered that: he’s “wearing the sackcloth of humility”.

    And I’m trying to figure out what the ad words “bible code”, “rapture”, and “nostradamus” have to do with the two witnesses.

    Everything is real until it doesn’t happen, and then it’s symbolic or spiritual. We’ll soon have spiritual “nukular” detonations.

    Ekimks (Mike)

    May 5, 2008 at 12:54 am

  7. In april bombergamers.net didn’t have any news, I was looking forward to the news about sorrv5 all month and nothing. That hit really hard in april so maybe Ronald was right?!!! Oh no i mocked the witness now he is gonna burn me up with spiritual fire that no one can see or feel, i should have stayed quite 😀


    May 5, 2008 at 1:06 pm

  8. Could it be?

    Did my photoshop cut and paste job of the propeller beanie raise the man’s intelligence?

    Those of us with Google adsense push advertising sincerely appreciate the funds he expended on Google advertising!


    May 6, 2008 at 3:32 am

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