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The “Mystery” of God? It’s All About the Critics! RW May 24, 2008 Sermon

Forty days and forty nights and still no tribulation. Things must be getting tense in PKG-land by now. Weinland’s May 24 sermon certainly seems to indicate that the wheels are, indeed, starting to come off.

Baptisms are down! Only six last week:

It’s still the aliens out here (has Weinland been reading “When Prophecy Fails”?):

The goal-post has been moved again (end of July). Also the first trumpet is extended:

Contrast with “if by Pentecost”: Note that Weinland does slip “by the end of July” in there. Hedging his bets, even on March 22? You betcha! The rest of the “if by Pentecost” quote has now been obscured by doublethink:

Johnny and Wayne are going to be busy (which might just be Weinland’s only prophecy that comes true):

And last but not least, the critics don’t have ears:

Here are the parts of Chapter 5 that Weinland did not read, nor comment on, during the sermon:

“The first four trumpet blasts will announce four powerfully destructive events that will bring about the total collapse of the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia,New Zealand, and some countries of Western Europe. The direct effect of all four events is first and foremost upon the United States.” [pp. 116, 2008: God’s Final Witness]

This first powerful event of the Seventh Seal will result in wide-spread destruction over the United States and beyond her border into Canada. The destruction in Canada will be less, but she will experience repercussions from what will happen in the U.S.; because she is a neighbor, as well as a prophetic brother.” [pp. 117 – 118, 2008: God’s Final Witness]

Mike has a more thorough breakdown (scroll down to the end of the post for a list of timestamps and other quotes) over at Don’t Drink the Flavor-Aid. Over on As Bereans Did there are excerpts here and here. (Also please read “Contributing Writer”‘s harrowing tale of being a child of the church.)

For all this hedging, hemming, hawing, mocking of critics, fear-mongering the sheeple, predicting that Armageddon will be like Independence Day (really Weinland there are so many better films you could have picked — Plan 9 From Outer Space, for instance), rereading from Chapter 5 of the book, and leaving out the important parts, here is my question:

What does any of this have to do with “the mystery of God”?


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May 27, 2008 at 12:20 pm

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  1. Two things stand out to me about these clips:
    1) He says he will declare that he “isn’t a prophet”. This is in contrast to his earlier statement that he will declare himself a “false prophet”. Subtle, yet in his ego-driven mind, this lessens the ridicule he will receive from aaalllll his critics.

    2) He said that he would throw himself at the mercy seat of God and seek repentence. Doesn’t he mean “forgiveness”? A slip of the tongue or was it more Freudian?

    WCG Emeritus

    May 27, 2008 at 12:35 pm

  2. In answer to 2), Weinland said repentance, and I am inclined, having known many Worldwide Church of God ministers over the years, to think that he did indeed mean repentance.

    For Weinland to say he would ask “forgiveness” requires a level of empathy and compassion for the members of his church that just isn’t there, and never has been.


    May 27, 2008 at 12:39 pm

  3. That’s interesting. I probably have heard that over the years, but it didn’t register until now. What exactly does it mean to “seek repentence” from God? I thought that the sinner repented and that God forgives. What does one expect to get when they seek repentence from God? I know that this is a bit of a tangent, but it intrigues me.
    It really does, once more, hammer in that he, and other COGs don’t understand even the process of forgiveness and justification.

    On a side note, I wonder if any of the other COG leaders actively reach out to Weinland. What does Flurry, or Merredith, or Pack, or Hulme, or Tkach think of RW? I also wonder if some of these baptisms aren’t just re-baptisms of Pack’s or Flurry’s decipleship. Given the amount of information available about these cults on the Internet, I can’t imagine any truly sane person commiting their lives and money to these frauds.

    I doubt Armstrong would have even had much of a following 30-50 years ago if the Internet were around when he started preaching.

    WCG Emeritus

    May 27, 2008 at 3:39 pm

  4. BTW, Weinland’s church’s website looks like it was thrown together by some amateur web designer. You would think that the God of the Two Witnesses would have a website befiting of Glory and the Greatness of the Eternal God. Also, why even have a blog if you don’t update it? Ron Weinland’s last update was May 8, 2008. There’s not much witnessing going on these days.

    WCG Emeritus

    May 27, 2008 at 3:45 pm

  5. The thing you have to understand about repentance in the Churches of God is that it’s continual, because the list of sins is lengthy (and in some years, changed literally from one week to another). Thus, you are always sinning, or in danger of sinning, whether you are aware of it or not. So you must constantly “repent” through an hour or more of daily prayer.

    Combine this with concepts like “the appearance of evil” and “an evil thought is the same as an evil deed”, and you set the stage for a completely cowed membership.


    May 27, 2008 at 7:21 pm

  6. Hey, This good ole Catholic boy has been out the loop for a while. Hawaii was great!!! Kiluea is EXPLODING, its amazing, I had dinner at the rim while it was venting. It was a once in a lifetime experience. Well CATHOLIC PENTECOST has been passed for some time. The Pope has been silent, but Jimma Carter hasent been. I think Ronnie confused those two. It seems nothing has happened. Elections are full steam ahead eventhough R says there will be no election. He said in a radio interview if nothing happened by APRIL he would come back on the show and say that he was false. WW – contact that show and see if they can get him back on.!


    May 27, 2008 at 11:08 pm

  7. WCG Emeritus, to answer your second question, it has become apparent in recent weeks that ministers from the Living Church of God, United Church of God, and Restored Church of God, have been circling exited and exiting PKG members like sharks.

    Apparently one elderly couple has already been snapped up by the Packatollah. 😦


    May 29, 2008 at 1:38 am

  8. Yo WW, it’s “Jon” from Ironwolf’s blog.

    I check on your site from time to time just to see if old Ronnie has checked himself into the Reality Clinic. It appears, sadly, that he has not.

    Looking forward to the coming month.


    P.S. — TodaysFate freaking out over nothing is always a hoot that I will miss over at IW.


    May 31, 2008 at 7:00 pm

  9. Hey, Jon, long time no see! Where you been man? TF is still at it over on the IW.


    May 31, 2008 at 10:40 pm

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