Archive for December 2008
Does “the Jerusalem blog post” read like a Christmas message?
Wouldn’t be the first time a minister of misery tried to co-opt “the joy of the season”. (Oh yeah wait it’s the end of the world again and again.)
Looks like the Witlesses are reliving the 1st timeline as much as they possibly can. The natives must be getting restless. Below is the text of my post “Next Year in Jerusalem!” posted when Ron and Laura Weinland were in Jerusalem the first time, April 14 – 21, 2008.
What does that have to do with December 14th, you ask? Not a thing in the world, except the Great Tribulation started on April 17, 2008.
“Next Year in Jerusalem” — posted mid-April, 2008:
Ah, yes, that old Yiddish blessing (or a sarcastic riff on it at least). Is that what CoG-PKG members are telling one another, now that the 17th [April 17, 2008] is fully and completely out in all of the North American time zones?
Weinland, appropriately enough, has gone to ground. He and the missus definitely do not want to be proselytizing too loudly in the streets of Jerusalem for the next couple of days, otherwise they will be rounded up by the Israeli Health Authority and offered a nice long stay in the premier Kfar Shaul Mental Health Centre.
Given the hints dropped since the “Three More Weeks” sermon on March 29, 2008, it is likely that there will not be a Passover service uploaded to the church’s website; it is also possible that there will be no Saturday sermon on April 19th, 2008; at least not a live one, nor a long one, for the risk Weinland will be running to be collected by the Israelis. Considering that the Passover service will be pre-recorded when it is uploaded to the church’s website, it could have been recorded weeks ago. The Saturday sermon will be the final proof in the pudding (and could also have been pre-recorded before Weinland and Wife touched down in the holy land).
And what of Weinland’s predictions last Saturday for the Pope?
37:25 – 37:40 RW April 12, 2008 Sermon “God’s Love is Coming” “And the one he’s [Satan] going to start influencing in a very powerful way. Starting on April the 17th  when the Pope is in Washington DC because that’s when it begins. And that’s when he begins to be influenced highly.“
Sorry, Ronnie, didn’t see any devil-horns sprouting from the Dagon-hat today. I know members are under the impression that something is going to happen when Le Poo-Poo sets foot on Ground Zero, but other than the poor old guy shedding a tear or two (Is it me, or does the current pontiff have asthma?), I highly doubt the Dagon-hat will be sprouting horns then, either. So that’s one “prophecy” down.
1:16:24 RW Sermon March 29, 2008 “Three More Weeks:“What if, what if…comes April 17 , my life changes dramatically one way or the other because it’s all in. Are we holding back? Are we all running, yet? So what are you going to do some of you who are skeptics and critics and you see these things come to pass? I will tell you what you will do as a whole, you will lie, you will twist, you will distort and you will die – speedily. So, one of us is walking on very dangerous ground…… [about 1:20:00] After April 17 , I would fear to be in any of your shoes, truly, truly, truly!”
So I hedged my bets. Spent the day barefoot. No lightning bolts out of the blue. That’s another one down. Your track record ain’t looking so hot right now Ronnie-boy. Nothing has been posted on the church’s website, nor on Weinland’s blog. The church’s email address, firstname.lastname@example.org, has been set to auto-respond to whoever emails it. (Just sent a test email to see what comes back.)
I think it’s safe to say the area elders are going to have their hands full, for the next few days, fielding phone calls and emails from frantic members. That is probably why the minutes of the elders’ meeting on March 29, 2008 were not released to the general membership; the elders have probably been briefed, in no uncertain terms, on how to handle the non-events of the day of the sounding of the first trumpet. (45-90 days remember.)
Keep an eye on Shadows of WCG for more frequent updates. Barring anything really newsworthy (and my Inbox is always open at email@example.com), I have said all I needed to say, with regards to Weinland’s “accuracy”. Or mind-numbing lack thereof.
1:53:20 “Three More Weeks” RW March 29, 2008 sermon: “If by Pentecost [June 8 2008] I’m just going to make this real clear to everyone. If by Pentecost [June 8, 2008] it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching. Just so all the critics and everyone out there will understand. I am true to my word in these things. OK? And for all the critics if by the end of July and for most likely around Pentecost if nothing has clearly caused great destruction and death I will make it very clear that I was a false prophet. I will do exactly what I said I would do on aaaaall those interviews that I have held. To do less. Well. Would be quite insane.”
Looks like ILFPRW is living up to the IL part of his nickname. Even Daniel Ott thinks so. Who is Daniel Ott, you ask? Those who don’t remember their history are doomed to repeat it, as the plaque inside The Peoples’ Temple said.
The EDGE AM “Ron Weinland Reprise”
Thanks to an anonymous commenter at Don’t Drink the Flavor Aid who transcripted the relevant quote from the show that Ott was responding to, above:
DO: “Ron, will you come on the Edge in December 2008 and explain why your prohecies have not been fulfilled?”
RW: “Well, let’s put it this way, if we come to a point in time where what I said doesn’t take place, the reality is that I’m just a false prophet, because that’s the bottom line, and that’s it. Uh, there’d be no other answer. I [unintelligble] cannot say that. There would be absolutely no other answer. I know that other religious people do when they say a certain time, if you want to look at Ellen White, if you want to go back and look at different time, and different people in history, the people who made prophecies, religious people and so forth, and they haven’t come to pass, well, they give all these reasons why, uh, it’s gonna happen in five more years, we were, God’s led us to understand that, and so they go on from one point to another point to another point until they die. The reality is if it doesn’t happen, then you’re just false. There’s nothing else to say, what else could I say?”
DO: “To reword that question is, will you come back on the program and so that the people can, who have been emailing in the show questions, can applaud you for your accuracy? I think that would probably be more to what you would want to…”
RW: “Oh, ha ha, I’ll go on any of your programs… Either way, I’ll come on… I’ll acknowledge my error, my wrong, if I’m wrong. I know I’m not wrong, but, you know, this is not a small thing that God gives you something to do. Can you imagine Noah building an ark for 100 years and someone coming out there mocking him on dry land.”
Looks pretty dry to me, Weinland.
Anybody got a match? (Did I mention my middle name is Norea?)
Also see Radio Free PKG with Daniel Ott’s response to Weinland’s non-response after the non-blowing of the first trumpet, mid-July 2008: