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Hello and welcome to Weinland Watch! If you are here because you entered “Ronald Weinland” or thecofg@aol.com or “The Church of God, Preparing for the Kingdom of God” into a search engine that returned this blog, this is a brief overview of who Ronald Weinland is, as outlined on this site, and what his “church” is preaching, and why they are preaching it.

Who Was Ronald Weinland? A timeline of Weinland’s history with first the Worldwide Church of God, then United Church of God, and finally the congregations that went with him in 1996 when he formed the Church of God, Preparing for the Kingdom of God. Ronald Weinland claims (now) that he is “God’s end-time prophet”, that he is one of the two witnesses of the book of Revelation (rumours abound that the revelation of the second witness, to take place some time prior to Passover on April 18th, is Weinland’s wife Laura). What does Weinland say to his detractors?

“It is a reality of life that I live with.” Weinland believes that false prophets will die, as per Deut. 18:20. Weinland believes that he and his wife will die, in three-and-a-half years, in the streets of Jerusalem. The church claims that the Great Tribulation from the book of Revelation will start in 2008. They originally set the date of April 17th for this to begin. The church has since backed away from this, and is saying “it could take 6 to 12 months”. But I’ll get to that.

The 1975 That Never Was Much of the tone and style of Weinland’s book, 2008: God’s Final Witness is taken from this tract, written in 1956, by Herbert W. Armstrong, the founder of the Worldwide Church of God. CoG-PKG is an almost carbon-copy of the Worldwide Church of God in its heyday, with the exception that most of the victims recruited by the CoG-PKG are children or young adults.

“45 Days to the Seventh Seal” The timeline the church has been pushing since Feb. 2 is as follows:

  • Feb 2: 1335 days begins until the kingdom of god will return.
  • March 18th: 1290 days. This marked the opening of the seventh seal. More on that below.
  • April 17th: 1260 days. This marks the date of the beginning of the Great Tribulation and the blast of the first trumpet (again from the book of Revelation). More below.

The Seventh Seal Definitively Debunked March 18th was supposed to be the opening of the seventh seal. As per page 23 in Weinland’s book, 2008: God’s Final Witness, “…and the world will be shocked and in horror on the day that the seventh seal is opened.” Needless to say, this did not come to pass.

The Church’s Reaction Can you guess what it was? Oh, it was supposed to be spiritual. And now they’re starting to wiggle on the April 17th/Great Tribulation/1st trumpet. Why is this, you ask?

They’re Only In It For the Money This exchange between a prospective member and two evangelists of the church reveals that “tithing is a prerequisite for baptism”. This, coupled with off-the-record accounts of Weinland’s and his elders’ luxurious lifestyles (while other off-the-record accounts speak of members growing ever more financially destitute) confirm that this may indeed be the case. How do they succeed at this?

Children and the Church and the Culture of Death The church is appealing to a youthful demographic, by marketing extensively on the Internet and by “word-of-mouth” shills planted on various forums where they may cull unsuspecting recruits. This, coupled with the Google ads that members’ tithes are spent on monthly, keep Weinland’s books at the forefront of the average surfer’s eye, ready to lure in the vulnerable. Part Two of this article indicates that this practice has now been stopped (underage children seeking admittance to the church are now turned away), but underage members baptized prior to this ruling being made are still attending members of the church.

The Scattered Church and What it Means for ex-WCG Family Members This is the other demographic Weinland is trying to appeal to with his scare tactics and classic Armstrongism: He is trying to pull back in former members of the Worldwide Church of God, and appealing to many families’ desires to “re-unify”, as many split in several different directions, during the 1990s when the Worldwide Church of God instituted what is colloquially referrred to as “the changes”. (Church leaders outwardly began professing protestantism in order to get the cult-watch groups off their backs.)

How to Talk to a Church Member Some advice. Members are supposed to be handing out cards with the church’s website and email address. If you are given one of these cards please scan it and send the picture to weinlandwatch@gmail.com. These are just some pointers on how to keep a church member talking, if you should happen to be in regular contact with one.

Possible Psychological Effects After Exiting the CoG-PKG After April 17th passes without incident, the church is going to try and spin it to say that, this too, was “spiritual” and that the Great Tribulation “could take 6 to 12 months” to get started. Surely there will be some who will wake up, once nothing happens in April. This paper, excerpted here with commentary, outlines some of the things exiting members will have to deal with, once they realize Weinland and his ministers of misery are only in this scam for the money of the brethren.

Please Get Professional Advice I can’t stress this enough. If you or a loved one are a member of the CoG-PKG, please get in touch with a qualified exit counselor or cult recovery therapist (they may go by different titles, depending on the country and/or state).

Best of luck, and if you have any questions, concerns, or information, please email weinlandwatch@gmail.com.

Written by weinlandwatch

March 25, 2008 at 3:57 pm

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  1. I do think that like HWA obtained proselytes, so is Weinland doing the same thing. But like HWA, his time to deceive cannot outlive his deception by very long.
    thanks for the website

    Myra McQueen

    March 25, 2008 at 8:49 pm

  2. hi all first time here

    Trey

    March 27, 2008 at 8:13 am

  3. Great information on his book and church. Factual reinforcments, as well as spirtual knowledge is good to have.

    Dianne

    April 4, 2008 at 3:54 pm

  4. “hi all first time here”

    Email address: jesus_freaks77@yahoo.com

    Search ARIN WHOIS for: 72.49.146.28

    I have those ARIN results “trey”. Have no fear. I certainly don’t.

    weinlandwatch

    April 5, 2008 at 1:52 am

  5. 17 April 2008.

    it better be big

    it better be convincing

    it better be global

    if nothing happens by the 18th final deadline has not been meet.

    deadline

    April 7, 2008 at 6:06 pm

  6. April 17 th who knows for sure. if Mr. Weinland is correct we are all in for a BIG HURT I have read the bible for 50 years and it does talk about the end time prophets and what they do and how they die he is right on.
    CAN WE AFFORD NO TO BELIEVE HIM ?

    Brad

    April 12, 2008 at 5:54 pm

  7. So which end-time prophets do you believe have died thus far? Weinland has not been “right on” at all, as a matter of fact, he has been “right off” because Roderick C. “Spanky” Meredith (who was specifically named as “one of the ministers who was going to die as a part of the prophesied fifth thunder” [RW’s Interview Comments page]) is still alive and kicking.

    The question is not, can we not afford to believe him, but rather, which parts of his false and becoming falser prophecies can we believe at all?

    weinlandwatch

    April 12, 2008 at 9:06 pm

  8. I GUESS WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN AS OF 4-17-08

    Brad

    April 13, 2008 at 7:01 pm

  9. According to the latest sermons and radio interviews, Weinland has now moved the goal-post to “45-90 days after” the 17th April. He even said he would stop preaching, if nothing had happened (with regards to the sounding of the first trumpet as “fire mingled with blood”) by “Pentecost (kept by CoG-PKG on 8th June) or July”.

    Clearly, the non-event of this coming Thursday is going to be, as March 18th was with the opening of the seventh seal, “spiritualized” away. I for one want to know what Weinland plans on saying on the day after the day after Pentecost, given that he has so publicly announced that he plans to stop preaching by then, or by July.

    weinlandwatch

    April 13, 2008 at 7:08 pm

  10. YOU ARE WRONG WITH YOUR LAST STATMENT AND YOU ARE RIGHT ALSO ,HE SAID HE WILL NOT PREACH ANY MORE AND THAT HE WILL BE A FALSE PROPHET.

    Brad

    April 14, 2008 at 1:29 am

  11. I wish these DOOMSDAY PROPHETS would disappear off the face of the earth!

    Can anybody help facilitate this?

    I would like “just for once in my lifetime” hear something good, about the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.

    What I read in the old testament especially, is BLOOD AND GUTS!

    Use the brain that the creator of this universe (and it wasn’t the God of Abraham, (old blood and guts) gave you.

    Start off by reading the AGE OF REASON by Thomas Paine,

    then send a free copy to Ronald Weinland and ask him to offer this book in conjunction with his Doom and Gloom personal interpretation of the book of Revelations!

    There are truths mixed with a whole bunch of lies in the Bible and Weinland knows it.

    Fearmongering should be made a crime and Weinland should be interviewed and detained by Homeland Security until they establish “His Source of advance knowledge” in case anything does happen in the next 45-90 days. If it does Weinland should be prosecuted for having “inside information” and accessory after the fact>

    (unless of course he’s got inside information we don’t know about and HOMELAND Security actually passed on some info to him?

    Have a nice day, till then anyway.

    Rufus

    April 14, 2008 at 11:14 am

  12. Brad sounds like a typical CoG-PKG member: Wants it both ways.

    weinlandwatch

    April 14, 2008 at 2:56 pm

  13. “Can anybody help facilitate this?”

    Hey I’m trying my best. As for reading Thomas Paine, Weinland would not do that, nor would he allow his members to; he’s all about the milieu control after all, and “you don’t have to read anything, you don’t have to look anything up” (as per the Feb. 9th sermon). Not to mention his screed against “entertaining demons” on March 22

    As for Homeland Security, we can hope they have a file open on Ronnie baby. But given that the church is so small (around a thousand members), and the fact that it has not made any of the major cult-watch lists, that isn’t likely. Unfortunately.

    weinlandwatch

    April 14, 2008 at 3:05 pm

  14. ARE YOU A MEMBER OF ANY CHURCH ????????

    Brad

    April 14, 2008 at 3:40 pm

  15. No. And the next comment you post in all caps is going to be deleted. One warning only.

    weinlandwatch

    April 14, 2008 at 4:02 pm

  16. I didn’t think so

    (sorry about the caps didn’t know I did anything wrong)

    Brad

    April 14, 2008 at 4:32 pm

  17. all is well so far

    Brad

    April 17, 2008 at 6:12 pm

  18. What will happen if something happens say- april 21? Will it make him a prophet? Not unless he knows the event!

    Jo Miller

    April 17, 2008 at 7:59 pm

  19. Ronald Weinland is a false prophet!

    Matthew 7:15-20:

    “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.”

    JXZ

    April 17, 2008 at 10:29 pm

  20. I think Rotten Ron’s fruit is now well and truly past its best-before date.

    weinlandwatch

    April 18, 2008 at 12:38 am

  21. I dont know how he got on British Radio but he tried to convince a lot of people over here even my non christian friends were saying its the end of the world! Are his fear tactics similar to that of Armstrong?

    Rotimi

    April 18, 2008 at 11:42 am

  22. I have not once heard any one mention the Rapture. The church is Rapture first then for 3 1/2 years of tributation and then there will be 3 1/2 years of the Great Tributation, then the 1000 years reign

    sharon

    April 18, 2008 at 1:20 pm

  23. Please show me anywhere in the bible where it says anything about a rapture I need the book and the verse,believe me you won”t find it.

    Brad

    April 18, 2008 at 4:47 pm

  24. You won’t find anything about the rest of Armstrong’s predictions, either.

    In the Worldwide Church of God, we were taught that, after the three-and-a-half years of the great tribulation were spent holed up in “the Place of Safety” (long assumed to be the 6000-year-old city of Petra, in Jordan), going through our “final training”, then and only then would we get drawn up into the sky as part of the 144,000, in order to be the Old Testament overlords of them all.

    weinlandwatch

    April 18, 2008 at 4:50 pm

  25. Armstrong was wrong on alot of things, but there was some truth if you bothered to read on from your bible. Instead, too many rely on man to do their thinking. Petra is to close for comfort or safety to what Obadiah’s message is about.Very interesting reading on Edom ,drinking from the cup and even tells who will do it. (take them out)

    Jo Miller

    April 18, 2008 at 6:09 pm

  26. “Armstrong was wrong on a lot of things, but there was some truth if you bothered to proof-text from your bible.”

    Fixed that sentence for you, “Jo”. And there is no Edom. Not in the real world.

    weinlandwatch

    April 18, 2008 at 6:34 pm

  27. If there wasn’t an Edom,God would not have said there was.Have you lost all your belief because of one man?I hope not.

    Jo Miller

    April 19, 2008 at 12:47 am

  28. Actually I did. The man was Joseph Tkach Sr.

    weinlandwatch

    April 19, 2008 at 2:01 am

  29. And the next one what uses the circular logic argument “Waaaaah! You pagan unbeliever! The Bible is true because the Bible says it is!” gets banned. One warning only.

    weinlandwatch

    April 19, 2008 at 2:21 am

  30. 10-4

    Brad

    April 19, 2008 at 3:40 am

  31. Nice site. I love how it looks like Ron’s own site… quality 😉

    I too grew up in WCG but got off lightly compared to some. I recently read Richard Dawkins book, the God Delusion. It really helped explain a lot of the questions I had (without the circular arguments) and I’d encourage everyone to do the same.

    Check out his site: http://richarddawkins.net/

    Best of luck to you all…

    Syd x

    Syd

    April 19, 2008 at 12:41 pm

  32. Another 4.2 earthquake today again in southern Illinois Hum

    Brad

    April 21, 2008 at 8:35 pm

  33. One final note: I grew up in the Pacific Northwest. A 4.2 wouldn’t even knock a picture off the wall. You are likely to get a stronger vibration from a passing train.

    Grasping at straws much?

    weinlandwatch

    April 21, 2008 at 8:51 pm

  34. no I am not grasping at straws just keeping my ear to the ground remember I live in southeast Missouri I live on the largest falt in the states.Back in the 1800″s we had the largest earthquake ever, back then they had no way to guess how big it was,the Mississippi river ran backwords for 4 months they est. it at 10.4 and it been quite for a long time sure we get the 2. something everyday but when we get a 4.0 something we are a little scared and we have had a few 4. somethings

    Brad

    April 24, 2008 at 12:10 am

  35. Hi there – Nice site.

    I had not heard of Ronald Weinland before 4/27 Sunday. Amazing, huh?

    I followed a link from Snopes.com to his book site and downloaded the 2008 book.

    Fascinating stuff, and I love what he says about religiions lying.

    By the way, I am an avowed atheist but I love to watch how religion affects people, so this “controversy” is fun to follow. It doesn’t seem like much of a controversy left, as the thunder is hard to hear. And as a Floridian, I know a little something about thunder.

    So keep posting and I’ll enjoy. I really want to see if he declares himself a false prophet in June or July – because there will be no Seventh Son of a Seventh Seal (now if he said it was a sea lion, I might have believed him!)

    Rock on,
    Dave

    Dave Leonard

    April 29, 2008 at 5:55 pm

  36. my comments are not here why were they deleted?

    Jerry Connelly

    May 3, 2008 at 4:40 am

  37. Hey Rufus,
    Another book you should be reading is “The Parousia” by James Stuart Russell. It gives the real juice on the New Testament doctrine of Christ’s second coming. Essentially, the news is that the “end times” were very clearly stated as being in the 1st Century, culminating in the fall of the Jewish Temple, the great city of Jerusalem and the associated political and economic system, in AD 70. Just as there are many, many reasons to believe that the first book of the bible is real history (i.e. creation is true, not evolution and geological long ages), there is every reason to believe that the last book of the Bible is also real history – and it has all happened. Christ came so that ALL THINGS should be fulfilled, all of the Old Testament and New Testament prophecy. Our high priest (Jesus) had to take the sacrifice (His blood) to the Holy of Holies (Heaven) for it to be accepted on our behalf. Then He promptly returned, within the same generation, to confirm salvation. Read Paul’s letters again (particularly Hebrews) with this in mind and you will see that it makes sense at last. (If Christ has not returned, then salvation has not come.) We no longer have to make excuses for the myriad of times that the 1st Century audience of the New Testament was told (by Jesus, Paul, John, etc) that Christ’s return was to be “soon”, that it was “at hand”, etc, etc. RW is a false prophet, but Jesus Christ was not.

    Tony

    May 5, 2008 at 12:41 pm

  38. Yes, I believe in a preterist view of the book of Revelation as well. That’s why the thought of my childhood in WCG, and Rotten Ron here, milking the book of Rev. all for money from the sheeple, just makes me feel ill.

    weinlandwatch

    May 5, 2008 at 12:45 pm

  39. I’m so sorry joe sr hurt u so bad.
    I was hurt realy bad also by people who said they cared and only cared about themselves. Leaving me utterly wasted and alone. But then somthing happened onenight while laying in a ball ,strung out and awaiting death. I cryed out to GOD. (not mankind) and GOD herd my heart and HE healed it. U can laugh if u want but I no longer hurt from all the pain caused by those mean & evil people who were supposed to take care of me. As for me and my house I will trust in the LORD.

    y50

    May 10, 2008 at 3:51 am

  40. did not say that,someone is using my email thats a no no

    Brad

    May 19, 2008 at 2:42 pm

  41. I’ll look into it.

    Fixed. I’ll keep an eye out if it happens again. Did you piss off somebody in Plano??

    weinlandwatch

    May 19, 2008 at 2:52 pm

  42. no I just got out of the hospital friday night

    THANKS
    Brad

    Brad

    May 19, 2008 at 7:28 pm

  43. I’m sorry to hear that, I hope you’re feeling better soon!

    weinlandwatch

    May 19, 2008 at 8:14 pm

  44. thanks I am

    Brad

    May 21, 2008 at 4:04 pm

  45. Looks like Ron does not have to much to say anymore

    Brad

    June 8, 2008 at 6:15 pm


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